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Hi all
The issue for me with my rally TR4 is reliability in a variety of temperatur=
e and stress conditions, across the full rev range and with all the non engi=
ne tortional loadings that occur through whiplash in the drivetrain caused b=
y really pushing hard.=20
I had the same set of carillos in BST82B for about 5 years before I bent one=
through a valve failure so they are not infallible by any means but in thos=
e 5 years they did a HUGE amount of work at big revs with the engine running=
from 2500 rpm all the way through to about 8000rpm ALL day and sometimes AL=
L night.=20
I have literally revved that engine out of orbit in the most horrible condi=
tions and failures are so rare. With about 140,000 rally miles done so far i=
n the car as a package the engine is the most reliable element of the whole d=
eal and thats because it's got a load of expensive bits in it that are desig=
ned to be pushed hard, together with scheduled pull outs and maintenance and=
the help of some clever people when I need it.=20
I don't think there is much better out there that I can get my hands on at n=
on millionaire money. Carillos still have my vote.=20
Regards
Tony=20
Sent from my iPhone
> On 23 Jul 2015, at 16:53, Christian Marx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:=
>=20
> The interesting thing with rods is, how long does it.=20
> 1 year , 3 years , 10 years?=20
> My rods did it 5 years.
>=20
> Am 23.07.2015 16:41 schrieb "John Hasty" <jhasty@mhc-law.com>:
>> Gee Whiz=E2=80=A6.you guys know a h- - - of a lot more about this than me=
, but I reason that if Manley etc. make a rod that withstands the rigors of a=
800+ hp American V8 turning upwards of 9000 rpm and it costs =C2=BD of what=
P and C are charging it makes sense to use them=E2=80=A6..
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> John H. Hasty | MULLEN HOLLAND & COOPER P.A.
>>=20
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>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:59 AM
>> To: Christian Marx; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Pauter has been making this design for almost 30 years with zero cold fai=
lures. If it were a poor design they would have changed it out of necessity=
. According to a Pauter rep., the main reason they started manufacturing th=
eir own rods in the first place was due to the fact that the H beam and I be=
am rods they were using couldn=E2=80=99t put up with what they were throwing=
at them with their turbo charged 4cylinder engines. =20
>>=20
>> If you spin a rod bearing, eventually you will break anything.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Christian Marx <tr4racing@googlemail.com=
> wrote:
>>=20
>> I saw the pictures of Pauter.
>> This type has no material were it needs and too much were it doesn't make=
sense. Maybe for very short rods usable.
>>=20
>> Am 23.07.2015 14:46 schrieb "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>:
>>=20
>> The Pauter design is a cross-beam (an inside-out H beam) not an x-beam an=
d shares H-beam design properties because of this.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote=
:
>>=20
>> Today I had a look to a book called race car design.
>>=20
>> It also contains engines, and as detail rods and their designs. I, H, bla=
de =E2=80=93 no x-beam (seems they never got the idea that someone could get=
the idea of an x-beam rod)
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> They said that F1 uses I-beam rods because they have the best stiffness t=
o weight ratio.
>>=20
>> Also German DTM-cars use I-beam rods.
>>=20
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Cheers
>>=20
>> Chris
>>=20
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Hi all</div><div><br></div><div>The is=
sue for me with my rally TR4 is reliability in a variety of temperature and s=
tress conditions, across the full rev range and with all the non engine tort=
ional loadings that occur through whiplash in the drivetrain caused by reall=
y pushing hard. </div><div><br></div><div>I had the same set of carillo=
s in BST82B for about 5 years before I bent one through a valve failure so t=
hey are not infallible by any means but in those 5 years they did a HUGE amo=
unt of work at big revs with the engine running from 2500 rpm all the way th=
rough to about 8000rpm ALL day and sometimes ALL night. </div><div><br>=
</div><div> I have literally revved that engine out of orbit in the mos=
t horrible conditions and failures are so rare. With about 140,000 rally mil=
es done so far in the car as a package the engine is the most reliable eleme=
nt of the whole deal and thats because it's got a load of expensive bits in i=
t that are designed to be pushed hard, together with scheduled pull outs and=
maintenance and the help of some clever people when I need it. </div><=
div><br></div><div>I don't think there is much better out there that I can g=
et my hands on at non millionaire money. Carillos still have my vote. <=
/div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Tony <br><br>=
Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 23 Jul 2015, at 16:53, Christian Marx &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><p dir=3D"ltr">The in=
teresting thing with rods is, how long does it. <br>
1 year , 3 years , 10 years? <br>
My rods did it 5 years. </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Am 23.07.2015 16:41 schrieb "John Hasty" <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jhasty@mhc-law.com";>jhasty@mhc-law.com</a>>:<br type=3D"att=
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ibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Gee Whiz=E2=80=A6.you guys know a h- - -=
of a lot more about this than me, but I reason that if Manley etc. make a r=
od that withstands the rigors of a 800+ hp American
V8 turning upwards of 9000 rpm and it costs =C2=BD of what P and C are char=
ging it makes sense to use them=E2=80=A6..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Styduhar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Christian Marx; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Racing rod design<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Pauter has been making this design for a=
lmost 30 years with zero cold failures. If it were a poor design they w=
ould have changed it out of necessity. According
to a Pauter rep., the main reason they started manufacturing their own rods=
in the first place was due to the fact that the H beam and I beam rods they=
were using couldn=E2=80=99t put up with what they were throwing at them wit=
h their turbo charged 4cylinder engines.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If you spin a rod bearing, eventua=
lly you will break anything. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Christian Marx <<=
a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googl=
email.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in=
0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p>I saw the pictures of Pauter.<br>
This type has no material were it needs and too much were it doesn't make se=
nse. Maybe for very short rods usable.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Am 23.07.2015 14:46 schrieb "John Styduhar" <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in=
0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The Pauter design is a cross-beam (an i=
nside-out H beam) not an x-beam and shares H-beam design properties because o=
f this. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM, MadMarx <<a href=3D=
"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googlemail.com=
</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in=
0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Today I had a look to a book called rac=
e car design.</span><span lang=3D"DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It also contains engines, and as detail=
rods and their designs. I, H, blade =E2=80=93 no x-beam (seems they
never got the idea that someone could get the idea of an x-beam rod)</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span lang=3D"DE"><u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">They said that F1 uses I-beam rods beca=
use they have the best stiffness to weight ratio.</span><span lang=3D"DE"><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Also German DTM-cars use I-beam rods.</=
span><span lang=3D"DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wik=
i/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/w=
iki/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters</a></span><span lang=3D"DE"><u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
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