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Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:05:33 -0500
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Are these the Ebay rods that have been discussed?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=item1ea1b53244&vxp=mtr

Any thoughts? The price is certainly attractive...


Brad

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> After my engine blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I
> investigated about rod design.
>
>
>
> In US forums I found an interesting opinion:
>
>
>
> H-beam rods are for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)
>
> I-beam are for medium torque engines with high revs
>
>
>
> As engineer I agree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft gets
> bended back and forth by the inertia caused by the rotation.
>
> I could imagine that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a crack
> after a while because the stiffness for bending along the rotation axis
> smaller than with an I-beam rod.
>
> That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam rod
> at high revs.
>
> With high revs on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.
>
>
>
> The manufacturer of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.
>
>
>
> I think next time I order an I-beam rod from Scat.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Are these the Ebay rods that have been discussed?<div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-T=
R3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1=
ea1b53244&amp;vxp=3Dmtr">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triump=
h-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Dit=
em1ea1b53244&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Any thoughts? T=
he price is certainly attractive...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
>Brad</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, MadMarx <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googlemail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"DE" l=
ink=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d">Hi Guys,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">After my engine blow at the la=
st race and a rod in two pieces I investigated about rod design.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f49=
7d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In US forums I found an interesting opinion:<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">H-beam rods are for low rev high torque eng=
ine (turbo, compressor)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I-beam are for medium torque engines =
with high revs<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ve=
rdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">As engineer I agree with =
this statement. On high revs the rod shaft gets bended back and forth by th=
e inertia caused by the rotation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verd=
ana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I could imagine that the sh=
arp sides of the H-beam rod will create a crack after a while because the s=
tiffness for bending along the rotation axis smaller than with an I-beam ro=
d.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:#1f497d">That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller on=
 an H-beam rod at high revs.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">With high revs on a long stroke =
engine I mean 6000+.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The manufacturer o=
f the broken H-beam rod was Scat.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verd=
ana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I thin=
k next time I order an I-beam rod from Scat.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f4=
97d">What do you think?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f4=
97d">Chris<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><br>__________________=
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