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I too agree that Scott Barr has a grasp and understands what goes on.
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From: Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 31, 2015 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
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WARNING: What follows on the present thread is the annual =E2=80=9CGearbox=
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[poster #1] Hey, my stock gearboxes stink and they blow up all the time. =
What do you guys know about installing a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison] tr=
ansmission in place of the cranky old stock stuff?
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[poster #2] Well, we know they work better, but might be in violation of t=
he rules of your sanctioning body, and are not really in the vintage spirit=
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[poster #2] Well maybe you shouldn=E2=80=99t have installed that [high-com=
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our obvious cheater-mobile.
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[Joe Alexander] Hey guys, why can=E2=80=99t we all just get along. We=E2=
=80=99re all having fun in our own ways and who the heck cares if someone e=
lse enjoys making their car faster than it was when it was new. Isn=E2=80=
=99t that arguably as legitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correc=
t car as fast as it can go in its era-correct state?
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[poster #1 and poster #2] Yeah, I suppose that=E2=80=99s right. There=E2=
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heir era-correct car and replace the trans every weekend, to the person who=
just likes to see how fast they can make these old crocks go, using everyt=
hing that=E2=80=99s been made and learned over the last 60 years. [hugs al=
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via=
Fot
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Jason Ostrowski
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
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I agree with Jason - spending the $1,000 +/- for an expert rebuild has resu=
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The real cost is in the lost race weekends when the thing blows up on a ver=
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I run a TR6 box.
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Marty, if you are using this for a Spitfire upgrade you are probably more t=
han fine, but for a GT6 with a developed engine, my advice is give up and m=
ove on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap every other weekend.
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On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot wrote:
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If you must for some reason use a GT6 gearbox:
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If it looks good and everything seems in order I would use it without doubt=
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For whatever reason, by comparison I have gotten the most miles out of good=
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I've had many of them built by "the best".
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Although It seems contrary to our greater "never be beaten by equipment" ph=
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The unworked original crappy ones have gone longer (for me) than the "profe=
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Its nice to SOMETIMES find the cheap way works.
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Note: Friendly Ghost Racing is not responsible for recommending these risky=
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I have a GT6 transmission of unknown history. Visually it looks in really g=
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synchros. I did some reading on the archives and while most of the post are=
from a while ago I get the impression that the synchros made now (or then =
anyhow) were of poor quality and that the original were much better and if =
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From: Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Tue, Mar 31, 2015 1:26 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros<br>
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he present thread is the annual =E2=80=9CGearboxes=E2=80=9D discussion.&nbs=
p; Allow me to paraphrase and summarize:<br>
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[Please, please, please read this in the fondly amused spirit in which it =
was offered. I can=E2=80=99t put in enough winky-faces to assure you =
all that this is not intended to be snotty or divisive=E2=80=A6]</span></di=
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y: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>[poster #1] Hey, my stock =
gearboxes stink and they blow up all the time. What do you guys know =
about installing a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison] transmission in place of=
the cranky old stock stuff?</span></div>
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y: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>[poster #2] Well, we know =
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g body, and are not really in the vintage spirit.</span></div>
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y: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>[poster #1] Yeah, but my g=
earbox is always broken, and sitting on the trailer is not really in the vi=
ntage spirit either. <br>
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y: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>[poster #2] Well maybe you=
shouldn=E2=80=99t have installed that [high-compression head/weber carbs/s=
upercharger/turbo/nitrous] and giant brakes on your obvious cheater-mobile.=
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y: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'>[Joe Alexander] Hey guys, =
why can=E2=80=99t we all just get along. We=E2=80=99re all having fun=
in our own ways and who the heck cares if someone else enjoys making their=
car faster than it was when it was new. Isn=E2=80=99t that arguably =
as legitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correct car as fast as it=
can go in its era-correct state?</span></div>
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ne in this sport, from the person who likes to run their era-correct car an=
d replace the trans every weekend, to the person who just likes to see how =
fast they can make these old crocks go, using everything that=E2=80=99s bee=
n made and learned over the last 60 years. [hugs all around]</span></=
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sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;'> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net?">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Ja=
nzen via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Ostrowski<br>
<b>Cc:</b> FOT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Synchros</span></div>
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n expert rebuild has resulted in the same survival rate (not long) as the $=
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y advice is give up and move on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap ever=
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find" unit. We only do these things because the trans will break soon =
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refresh with new bearings and synchros. I did some reading on the archives =
and while most of the post are from a while ago I get the impression that t=
he synchros made now (or then anyhow) were of poor quality and that the ori=
ginal were much better and if you didn't need to change them it was best to=
leave the old one in place. Thoughts? <br>
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