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Re: [Fot] Synchros

To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
From: Jerry Barr via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:55:07 -0500
Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>
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References: <BLU168-W3677C03186FA81E8BFEF3DBAF50@phx.gbl> <CALCydYpP_NZ5W8J4o=suCKuvOq+C3iOvs_9mfaZNoy7KCsYebg@mail.gmail.com> <58BF1BEE-AE42-4B35-B7E3-01108F80FE51@me.com> <84F56CFCC31FAC48AE160008ADDECFA50B7C5D95@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
I think that Corvette 5 speed you are using in the Spitfire is well within the 
vintage spirit. 


> On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> WARNING:  What follows on the present thread is the annual â??Gearboxesâ?? 
> discussion.  Allow me to paraphrase and summarize:
> 
> [Please, please, please read this in the fondly amused spirit in which it was 
> offered.  I canâ??t put in enough winky-faces to assure you all that this is 
> not intended to be snotty or divisiveâ?¦]
>  
> [poster #1]  Hey, my stock gearboxes stink and they blow up all the time.  
> What do you guys know about installing a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison] 
> transmission in place of the cranky old stock stuff?
>  
> [poster #2]  Well, we know they work better, but might be in violation of the 
> rules of your sanctioning body, and are not really in the vintage spirit.
>  
> [poster #1]  Yeah, but my gearbox is always broken, and sitting on the 
> trailer is not really in the vintage spirit either.  
> 
> [poster #2]  Well maybe you shouldnâ??t have installed that [high-compression 
> head/weber carbs/supercharger/turbo/nitrous] and giant brakes on your obvious 
> cheater-mobile.
>  
> [Joe Alexander]  Hey guys, why canâ??t we all just get along.  Weâ??re all 
> having fun in our own ways and who the heck cares if someone else enjoys 
> making their car faster than it was when it was new.  Isnâ??t that arguably 
> as legitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correct car as fast as it 
> can go in its era-correct state?
>  
> [poster #1 and poster #2]  Yeah, I suppose thatâ??s right.  Thereâ??s room 
> for everyone in this sport, from the person who likes to run their 
> era-correct car and replace the trans every weekend, to the person who just 
> likes to see how fast they can make these old crocks go, using everything 
> thatâ??s been made and learned over the last 60 years.  [hugs all around]
>  
>  
> Scott B. (unless you think Iâ??m being snotty and divisive, in which case, my 
> name is Philbin Potsticker, and I drive an MG TC.  In Ecuador.)
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via 
> Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM
> To: Jason Ostrowski
> Cc: FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
>  
> I agree with Jason - spending the $1,000 +/- for an expert rebuild has 
> resulted in the same survival rate (not long) as the $50-$100 used ones.
> The real cost is in the lost race weekends when the thing blows up on a very 
> regular basis.
> I run a TR6 box.
> Marty, if you are using this for a Spitfire upgrade you are probably more 
> than fine, but for a GT6 with a developed engine, my advice is give up and 
> move on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap every other weekend.
>  
> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot wrote:
>  
> If you must for some reason use a GT6 gearbox:
> If it looks good and everything seems in order I would use it without doubt.
> For whatever reason, by comparison I have gotten the most miles out of good 
> old "barn find" unworked gt6 transmissions.
> I've had many of them built by "the best".
> Although It seems contrary to our greater "never be beaten by equipment" 
> philosophy...
> The unworked original crappy ones have gone longer (for me) than the 
> "professionally serviced" new gear (usuallyTR7) and sychro ones.
> In my own program, since I have to take them out after every race (Third gear 
> is usually all but toasted), I stopped spending the $ money on the gearbox 
> rebuilds and focused more on finding and using several good older ones.
> I can use the gearbox for the same amount of time for much less $.
> Since I am struggling to survive in this sport of wealthy kings...
> Its nice to SOMETIMES find the cheap way works.
>  
> Note: Friendly Ghost Racing is not responsible for recommending these risky 
> and absurd transmission choices of using a "barn find" unit. We only do these 
> things because the trans will break soon anyway.
>  
> Cheers!
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing  
>  
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, marty via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> I have a GT6 transmission of unknown history. Visually it looks in really 
> good shape internally. Am considering doing a refresh with new bearings and 
> synchros. I did some reading on the archives and while most of the post are 
> from a while ago I get the impression that the synchros made now (or then 
> anyhow) were of poor quality and that the original were much better and if 
> you didn't need to change them it was best to leave the old one in place.  
> Thoughts? 
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Marty
> 
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