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Scott,I was fondly amused ;~)
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Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
WARNING: What follows on the present thread is the annual =93Gearboxes=94 =
discussion. Allow me to paraphrase and summarize:
[Please, please, please read this in the fondly amused spirit in which it w=
as offered. I can=92t put in enough winky-faces to assure you all that thi=
s is not intended to be snotty or divisive=85]
[poster #1] Hey, my stock gearboxes stink and they blow up all the time. =
What do you guys know about installing a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison] tr=
ansmission in place of the cranky old stock stuff?
[poster #2] Well, we know they work better, but might be in violation of t=
he rules of your sanctioning body, and are not really in the vintage spirit.
[poster #1] Yeah, but my gearbox is always broken, and sitting on the trai=
ler is not really in the vintage spirit either.
[poster #2] Well maybe you shouldn=92t have installed that [high-compressi=
on head/weber carbs/supercharger/turbo/nitrous] and giant brakes on your ob=
vious cheater-mobile.
[Joe Alexander] Hey guys, why can=92t we all just get along. We=92re all =
having fun in our own ways and who the heck cares if someone else enjoys ma=
king their car faster than it was when it was new. Isn=92t that arguably a=
s legitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correct car as fast as it =
can go in its era-correct state?
[poster #1 and poster #2] Yeah, I suppose that=92s right. There=92s room =
for everyone in this sport, from the person who likes to run their era-corr=
ect car and replace the trans every weekend, to the person who just likes t=
o see how fast they can make these old crocks go, using everything that=92s=
been made and learned over the last 60 years. [hugs all around]
Scott B. (unless you think I=92m being snotty and divisive, in which case, =
my name is Philbin Potsticker, and I drive an MG TC. In Ecuador.)
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via=
Fot
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Jason Ostrowski
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
I agree with Jason - spending the $1,000 +/- for an expert rebuild has resu=
lted in the same survival rate (not long) as the $50-$100 used ones.
The real cost is in the lost race weekends when the thing blows up on a ver=
y regular basis.
I run a TR6 box.
Marty, if you are using this for a Spitfire upgrade you are probably more t=
han fine, but for a GT6 with a developed engine, my advice is give up and m=
ove on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap every other weekend.
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot wrote:
If you must for some reason use a GT6 gearbox:
If it looks good and everything seems in order I would use it without doubt.
For whatever reason, by comparison I have gotten the most miles out of good=
old "barn find" unworked gt6 transmissions.
I've had many of them built by "the best".
Although It seems contrary to our greater "never be beaten by equipment" ph=
ilosophy...
The unworked original crappy ones have gone longer (for me) than the "profe=
ssionally serviced" new gear (usuallyTR7) and sychro ones.
In my own program, since I have to take them out after every race (Third ge=
ar is usually all but toasted), I stopped spending the $ money on the gearb=
ox rebuilds and focused more on finding and using several good older ones.
I can use the gearbox for the same amount of time for much less $.
Since I am struggling to survive in this sport of wealthy kings...
Its nice to SOMETIMES find the cheap way works.
Note: Friendly Ghost Racing is not responsible for recommending these risky=
and absurd transmission choices of using a "barn find" unit. We only do th=
ese things because the trans will break soon anyway.
Cheers!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
ot@autox.team.net>> wrote:
I have a GT6 transmission of unknown history. Visually it looks in really g=
ood shape internally. Am considering doing a refresh with new bearings and =
synchros. I did some reading on the archives and while most of the post are=
from a while ago I get the impression that the synchros made now (or then =
anyhow) were of poor quality and that the original were much better and if =
you didn't need to change them it was best to leave the old one in place. =
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Marty
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">WARNING: What follows on the=
present thread is the annual =93Gearboxes=94 discussion. Allow me to=
paraphrase and summarize:<br>
<br>
[Please, please, please read this in the fondly amused spirit in which it w=
as offered. I can=92t put in enough winky-faces to assure you all tha=
t this is not intended to be snotty or divisive=85]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">[poster #1] Hey, my stock ge=
arboxes stink and they blow up all the time. What do you guys know ab=
out installing a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison]
transmission in place of the cranky old stock stuff?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">[poster #2] Well, we know th=
ey work better, but might be in violation of the rules of your sanctioning =
body, and are not really in the vintage spirit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">[poster #1] Yeah, but my gea=
rbox is always broken, and sitting on the trailer is not really in the vint=
age spirit either.
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">[poster #2] Well maybe you s=
houldn=92t have installed that [high-compression head/weber carbs/superchar=
ger/turbo/nitrous] and giant brakes on your
obvious cheater-mobile.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">[Joe Alexander] Hey guys, wh=
y can=92t we all just get along. We=92re all having fun in our own wa=
ys and who the heck cares if someone else enjoys making
their car faster than it was when it was new. Isn=92t that arguably =
as legitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correct car as fast as it=
can go in its era-correct state?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">[poster #1 and poster #2] Ye=
ah, I suppose that=92s right. There=92s room for everyone in this spo=
rt, from the person who likes to run their era-correct
car and replace the trans every weekend, to the person who just likes to s=
ee how fast they can make these old crocks go, using everything that=92s be=
en made and learned over the last 60 years. [hugs all around]<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Scott B. (unless you think I=92m b=
eing snotty and divisive, in which case, my name is Philbin Potsticker, and=
I drive an MG TC. In Ecuador.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cali=
bri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.=
net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Janzen via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Ostrowski<br>
<b>Cc:</b> FOT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Synchros<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree with Jason - spending the $1,000 +/- for=
an expert rebuild has resulted in the same survival rate (not long) as the=
$50-$100 used ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The real cost is in the lost race weekends when the =
thing blows up on a very regular basis.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I run a TR6 box.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Marty, if you are using this for a Spitfire upgrade =
you are probably more than fine, but for a GT6 with a developed engine, my =
advice is give up and move on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap every =
other weekend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fo=
t wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you must for some reason use a GT6 gearbox:<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If it looks good and everything seems in order I wou=
ld use it without doubt.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For whatever reason, by comparison I have gotten the=
most miles out of good old "barn find" unworked gt6 transmission=
s.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've had many of them built by "the best".=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Although It seems contrary to our greater "neve=
r be beaten by equipment" philosophy...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The unworked original crappy ones have gone longer (=
for me) than the "professionally serviced" new gear (usuallyTR7)&=
nbsp;and sychro ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my own program, since I have to take them out aft=
er every race (Third gear is usually all but toasted), I stopped spending t=
he $ money on the gearbox rebuilds and focused more on finding and using se=
veral good older ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can use the gearbox for the same amount of time fo=
r much less $.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Since I am struggling to survive in this sport of we=
althy kings...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Its nice to SOMETIMES find the cheap way works.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note: Friendly Ghost Racing is not responsible for r=
ecommending these risky and absurd transmission choices of using a "ba=
rn find" unit. We only do these things because the trans will bre=
ak soon anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Friendly Ghost Racing <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, marty via Fot <<=
a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a GT6 transmission of unknown history. Visual=
ly it looks in really good shape internally. Am considering doing a re=
fresh with new bearings and synchros. I did some reading on the archives an=
d while most of the post are from a while
ago I get the impression that the synchros made now (or then anyhow) were =
of poor quality and that the original were much better and if you didn't ne=
ed to change them it was best to leave the old one in place. Tho=
ughts? <br>
<br>
Thanks,<span style=3D"color:#888888"><br>
<span class=3D"hoenzb"> </span><br>
<span class=3D"hoenzb">Marty</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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