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Re: [Fot] T5 conversion

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Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang@isis.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:54:11 -0500 (EST)
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Hi,

I'm not an expert on this, so I'm totally open to ither comments on the 
matter...

My first comment would be that it's not clear that a T5 would give any 
benefit other than being an inexpensive replacement. For most T5 setups, 
the first gear is basically useless for road racing. Because of this, my 
first suggestion would be to skip the T5 and think more seriously about a 
T10. I'm suggesting this because you're more likely to find a good ratio 
mix in the 4-speed T10 and T10 knockoffs than with the T5 unless you want 
to not use first.

Also, I know we're talking current E Prod SCCA gearboxes here. That means 
that you are limited to NON overdrive replacement trannies. Most of the 
ratio sets for the T5 that I've seen are 1:1, so that's working in your 
favor.

That said, all the "successful" Triumph racing gears setups seem to be in 
the following range:

1st   2nd   3rd    4th
2.20, 1.75, 1.25,   1

The Dolly Sprint setup is:
2.19, 1.57, 1.23,   1

In the T10 world, the T10 c/r sets are in the range:
2.20, 1.66, 1.31,   1

If you want a usable first gear for road racing, you need to be closer to 
2.0:1, the Kastner first was 1.88:1 - 2.20 is a bit too much gear to be 
really usable in anything but the tightest corners...

So, if you found a Muncie "Rock Crusher" aka M22 (I think), you'd be 
pretty close to ideal gears, although 2nd is a tad too low compared to 
that 1.57 dolly gear. If you want, I could chart out the RPM ranges for 
you.

Now here's the thing: T10's are replicated in NEW gearboxes from everyone, 
but Summit Racing sells Richmond Gear T10 4-speeds for about $1800. If you 
have more $$$ to spend, then you cannot go wrong with a Jericho and the 
ratios that Kastner spec'd back in the day: 1.88, 1.42, 1.24 and 1 which 
I'm pretty sure is what Sam H runs in his boxes (plus or minus) - and he 
can chime in on that, if he wishes.

The bottom line is that if you are looking for a junk-yard replacement, 
you have to make some compromises in the gearing. From my research - 
that's pretty much "toss first gear from the mix" if you road race.

Note that wikipedia lists a lot of info on gear ratios for the B/W T5 and 
T56, you might be able to use that to zero in on a donor.

Last - there's lots of info out there, but Summit Racing lists the gear 
ratios for all the different boxes they sell. They have a number of 
Richmond Gear T5 clones and they list the ratios - you may be able to use 
that info to zero in on a particular box.

In the spirit of transparancy, I'm also looking at this conversion so I'll 
def. keep you posted on whatever I find.

Regards,
rml
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