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Sorry to hear about the crash Jeff, but I'm glad you are doing fine.
Jack
(Think the TR3 at cruise night in Covington)
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From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of quicktr4
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:06 PM
To: Bill Babcock; BillDentin@aol.com
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for FoT membership
I had a bad one last weekend including an ambulance ride to the hospital to
check me out. in alittle bit wet conditions my tr4 really stepped out on
turn in to turn nine at seattle. very uncharicteristic of my car. natural
reaction is to catcth the slide. when it did hook up it sent me strait into
the wall at about 60 or 70 mph it was a big hit. all the safety gear did its
job and yes i hade a hans on. after this our club is concidering making some
device manditory. i dont even have a stiff neck. I am now a strong
advicator. The car didnt fair so well both front frame rails bent all the
way into the oil pan. you can just imagine the rest.
Jeff Quick
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Babcock <mailto:Billb@bnj.com>
To: BillDentin@aol.com
Cc: Friends of Triumph <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for FoT membership
Sorry to hear about the fatality. We really are playing a rough game here.
We had two bad accidents at the SOVREN Fall Finale this weekend. FOTer Jeff
Quick hit the wall straight on in his TR4. They took him off in the
ambulance on a back board, but he's okay. The car is completely flat across
the nose and about a foot shorter. Hard impact, straight in. Could have been
a bad one, I'm glad he's OK. I'm pretty sure Jeff wears a HANS device.
Another driver pretty much wrote off a very nice Alpha.
We get away with a lot because of all the retrofitted safely equipment, but
I've met more than a few old time drivers who expressed amazement that we
don't have more fatalities. they basically say "those cars were damned
dangerous back when we built them, what do you think has changed".
What has changed is the safety gear, and I believe in keeping all of mine as
up to date as possible. Fresh belts before the expiration date or when they
show any damage or have been "exercised" as with a Corvette shoving one self
around a bit, Hans device. Good helmet. great roll cage. Other than that,
you pays your money and you takes your chances.
Pat's a great guy, it was a pleasure to meet him last year. Next year is
Peyote's fiftieth birthday. Big doings planned. T shirts, peyote buttons,
and a new motto: "Pissing off drivers with nicer cars for fifty years"
I agree, Diane has a fine rear end, in fact a stellar one. Peyote's,
however, is a tad lumpy.
On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:32 AM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 09/22/2008 11:37:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
Billb@bnj.com writes:
I thought Tony was already a member or I would have nominated him long ago.
Not only does he drive the wheels off the TR250K (and anything else he sits
in, except his truck which he drives like a little old lady), but he also
maintains it, and the Bill Hart Devin, AND John James's TR4, and he brought
Peyote back to life this year, and will finish making it far too pretty over
the winter. Yes, he's going to replace the "Aluminum foil sack of walnuts"
rear end that I carefully fabricated on my $200 English Wheel. Some people
have no respect for amateur bodywork. Like Diane for example, who is paying
Tony to replace the rear end.
On the Peyote? Diane's rear end is fine.
I saw Pat Starr at ROAD AMERICA over the week end. He borrowed a trailer
and hauled his Morgan (same car he's raced since the 1960s) down to ELVF.
He is still a great driver (2:51.892), less than two seconds short of his
best lap ever. At the cocktail party Saturday night (Peter Egan spoke) Pat
was talking about the Peyote and describing clear plastic spoilers they used
to run on the car in the rear. Interesting.
Bill
PS...Sad to say...there was another fatality in the second Race Group 2
practice session on Friday. Dr. Surjit Hermon lost control of his 1957
Eastgate (LOTUS XI continuation or replica) and hit a stationary Mini Cooper
S parked off course near the apex to Turn 13. High speed (80 mph +/-)
impact (sideways). Suspected broken neck. I had raced with this guy many
times. He was competent, courteous, never aggressive. He apparently lost
control, tried to correct, and went sliding sidways into the Mini. The
VSCDA has been running vintage racing events for thirty years and never had
a really serious accident, much less a fatality. Now two in a month.
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Monday, September 22, 2008 9:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Bill Babcock;=20
BillDentin@aol.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Friends of Triumph<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had a bad one last weekend including =
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did its job and yes i hade a hans on. after this our club is concidering =
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some device manditory. i dont even have a stiff neck. I am now a strong=20
advicator. The car didnt fair so well both front frame rails bent all =
the way=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff Quick </FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DBillb@bnj.com href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill =
Babcock</A> </DIV>
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2008 6:30=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Nomination =
for FoT=20
membership</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Sorry to hear about the fatality. We really are playing =
a rough=20
game here. We had two bad accidents at the SOVREN Fall Finale=20
this weekend. FOTer Jeff Quick hit the wall straight on in his =
TR4. They=20
took him off in the ambulance on a back board, but he's okay. The car =
is=20
completely flat across the nose and about a foot shorter. Hard=20
impact, straight in. Could have been a bad one, I'm glad =
he's OK.=20
I'm pretty sure Jeff wears a HANS device. Another driver pretty much =
wrote off=20
a very nice Alpha. =20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We get away with a lot because of all the retrofitted =
safely=20
equipment, but I've met more than a few old time drivers who expressed =
amazement that we don't have more fatalities. they basically say =
"those cars=20
were damned dangerous back when we built them, what do you think has =
changed".=20
=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>What has changed is the safety gear, and I believe in keeping all =
of mine=20
as up to date as possible. Fresh belts before the expiration date or =
when they=20
show any damage or have been "exercised" as with a Corvette shoving =
one self=20
around a bit, Hans device. Good helmet. great roll cage. Other than =
that, you=20
pays your money and you takes your chances. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Pat's a great guy, it was a pleasure to meet him last year. Next =
year is=20
Peyote's fiftieth birthday. Big doings planned. T shirts, peyote =
buttons, and=20
a new motto: "Pissing off drivers with nicer cars for fifty =
years"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I agree, Diane has a fine rear end, in fact a stellar one.=20
Peyote's, however, is a tad lumpy. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:32 AM, <A=20
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family=3D"SERIF">In a message dated 09/22/2008 11:37:23 AM Central =
Daylight=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Billb@bnj.com</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
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type=3D"CITE">I thought Tony was already a member or I would have =
nominated=20
him long ago. Not only does he drive the wheels off the TR250K =
(and=20
anything else he sits in, except his truck which he drives like a =
little=20
old lady), but he also maintains it, and the Bill Hart Devin, AND =
John=20
James's TR4, and he brought Peyote back to life this year, and =
will finish=20
making it far too pretty over the winter. Yes, he's going to =
replace the=20
"Aluminum foil sack of walnuts" rear end that I carefully =
fabricated on my=20
$200 English Wheel. Some people have no respect for amateur =
bodywork. Like=20
Diane for example, who is paying Tony to replace the rear end.=20
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face=3D"Baskerville Old Face" color=3D#400040 size=3D3 ptsize=3D"12" =
family=3D"SERIF"=20
back=3D"#ffffff"><BR>On the Peyote? Diane's rear end is =
fine.<BR><BR>I=20
saw Pat Starr at ROAD AMERICA over the week end. He borrowed a =
trailer=20
and hauled his Morgan (same car he's raced since the 1960s) down to=20
ELVF. He is still a great driver (2:51.892), less than two =
seconds=20
short of his best lap ever. At the cocktail party Saturday =
night=20
(Peter Egan spoke) Pat was talking about the Peyote and describing =
clear=20
plastic spoilers they used to run on the car in the rear. =20
Interesting.<BR><BR>Bill<BR><BR>PS...Sad to say...there was another =
fatality=20
in the second Race Group 2 practice session on Friday. Dr. =
Surjit=20
Hermon lost control of his 1957 Eastgate (LOTUS XI continuation or =
replica)=20
and hit a stationary Mini Cooper S parked off course near the apex =
to Turn=20
13. High speed (80 mph +/-) impact (sideways). Suspected =
broken=20
neck. I had raced with this guy many times. He was =
competent,=20
courteous, never aggressive. He apparently lost control, tried =
to=20
correct, and went sliding sidways into the Mini. The VSCDA has =
been=20
running vintage racing events for thirty years and never had a =
really=20
serious accident, much less a fatality. Now two in a=20
month. </FONT><BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Looking for =
simple=20
solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out =
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