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Good to hear from you buddy. Sorry about your car, glad you're OK.
That was a nasty one. Let me know if you need anything. I have a TR4
frame up by my sport court, slowly turning back into iron ore. Yours
if you want it.
On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:05 PM, quicktr4 wrote:
> I had a bad one last weekend including an ambulance ride to the
> hospital to check me out. in alittle bit wet conditions my tr4
> really stepped out on turn in to turn nine at seattle. very
> uncharicteristic of my car. natural reaction is to catcth the slide.
> when it did hook up it sent me strait into the wall at about 60 or
> 70 mph it was a big hit. all the safety gear did its job and yes i
> hade a hans on. after this our club is concidering making some
> device manditory. i dont even have a stiff neck. I am now a strong
> advicator. The car didnt fair so well both front frame rails bent
> all the way into the oil pan. you can just imagine the rest.
> Jeff Quick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: BillDentin@aol.com
> Cc: Friends of Triumph
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for FoT membership
>
> Sorry to hear about the fatality. We really are playing a rough game
> here. We had two bad accidents at the SOVREN Fall Finale this
> weekend. FOTer Jeff Quick hit the wall straight on in his TR4. They
> took him off in the ambulance on a back board, but he's okay. The
> car is completely flat across the nose and about a foot shorter.
> Hard impact, straight in. Could have been a bad one, I'm glad he's
> OK. I'm pretty sure Jeff wears a HANS device. Another driver pretty
> much wrote off a very nice Alpha.
>
> We get away with a lot because of all the retrofitted safely
> equipment, but I've met more than a few old time drivers who
> expressed amazement that we don't have more fatalities. they
> basically say "those cars were damned dangerous back when we built
> them, what do you think has changed".
>
> What has changed is the safety gear, and I believe in keeping all of
> mine as up to date as possible. Fresh belts before the expiration
> date or when they show any damage or have been "exercised" as with a
> Corvette shoving one self around a bit, Hans device. Good helmet.
> great roll cage. Other than that, you pays your money and you takes
> your chances.
>
> Pat's a great guy, it was a pleasure to meet him last year. Next
> year is Peyote's fiftieth birthday. Big doings planned. T shirts,
> peyote buttons, and a new motto: "Pissing off drivers with nicer
> cars for fifty years"
>
> I agree, Diane has a fine rear end, in fact a stellar one. Peyote's,
> however, is a tad lumpy.
>
> On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:32 AM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 09/22/2008 11:37:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
>Billb@bnj.com
>> writes:
>>
>>
>>> I thought Tony was already a member or I would have nominated him
>>> long ago. Not only does he drive the wheels off the TR250K (and
>>> anything else he sits in, except his truck which he drives like a
>>> little old lady), but he also maintains it, and the Bill Hart
>>> Devin, AND John James's TR4, and he brought Peyote back to life
>>> this year, and will finish making it far too pretty over the
>>> winter. Yes, he's going to replace the "Aluminum foil sack of
>>> walnuts" rear end that I carefully fabricated on my $200 English
>>> Wheel. Some people have no respect for amateur bodywork. Like
>>> Diane for example, who is paying Tony to replace the rear end.
>>
>>
>> On the Peyote? Diane's rear end is fine.
>>
>> I saw Pat Starr at ROAD AMERICA over the week end. He borrowed a
>> trailer and hauled his Morgan (same car he's raced since the 1960s)
>> down to ELVF. He is still a great driver (2:51.892), less than two
>> seconds short of his best lap ever. At the cocktail party Saturday
>> night (Peter Egan spoke) Pat was talking about the Peyote and
>> describing clear plastic spoilers they used to run on the car in
>> the rear. Interesting.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> PS...Sad to say...there was another fatality in the second Race
>> Group 2 practice session on Friday. Dr. Surjit Hermon lost control
>> of his 1957 Eastgate (LOTUS XI continuation or replica) and hit a
>> stationary Mini Cooper S parked off course near the apex to Turn
>> 13. High speed (80 mph +/-) impact (sideways). Suspected broken
>> neck. I had raced with this guy many times. He was competent,
>> courteous, never aggressive. He apparently lost control, tried to
>> correct, and went sliding sidways into the Mini. The VSCDA has
>> been running vintage racing events for thirty years and never had a
>> really serious accident, much less a fatality. Now two in a month.
>>
>>
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Good to hear from you buddy. =
Sorry about your car, glad you're OK. That was a nasty one. Let me know =
if you need anything. I have a TR4 frame up by my sport court, slowly =
turning back into iron ore. Yours if you want =
it. <div><br><div><div>On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:05 PM, quicktr4 =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: =
auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2">I had a bad one last weekend including an ambulance ride to =
the hospital to check me out. in alittle bit wet conditions my tr4 =
really stepped out on turn in to turn nine at seattle. very =
uncharicteristic of my car. natural reaction is to catcth the slide. =
when it did hook up it sent me strait into the wall at about 60 or 70 =
mph it was a big hit. all the safety gear did its job and yes i hade a =
hans on. after this our club is concidering making some device =
manditory. i dont even have a stiff neck. I am now a strong advicator. =
The car didnt fair so well both front frame rails bent all the way into =
the oil pan. you can just imagine the rest.</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Jeff Quick </font></div><blockquote =
style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; =
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border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style=3D"font: =
normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message =
-----</div><div style=3D"background-image: initial; background-repeat: =
initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: =
initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, =
228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title=3D"Billb@bnj.com" =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill Babcock</a></div><div style=3D"font: =
normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"BillDentin@aol.com" =
href=3D"mailto:BillDentin@aol.com";>BillDentin@aol.com</a></div><div =
style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"fot@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>Friends =
of Triumph</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 22, 2008 =
6:30 PM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
"><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: =
[Fot] Nomination for FoT membership</div><div><br></div>Sorry to hear =
about the fatality. We really are playing a rough game here. We had two =
bad accidents at the SOVREN Fall Finale this weekend. FOTer Jeff =
Quick hit the wall straight on in his TR4. They took him off in the =
ambulance on a back board, but he's okay. The car is completely flat =
across the nose and about a foot shorter. Hard =
impact, straight in. Could have been a bad one, I'm glad he's =
OK. I'm pretty sure Jeff wears a HANS device. Another driver pretty much =
wrote off a very nice Alpha. <div><br></div><div>We get away with a =
lot because of all the retrofitted safely equipment, but I've =
met more than a few old time drivers who expressed amazement that we =
don't have more fatalities. they basically say "those cars were damned =
dangerous back when we built them, what do you think has changed". =
<div><br></div><div>What has changed is the safety gear, and I =
believe in keeping all of mine as up to date as possible. Fresh belts =
before the expiration date or when they show any damage or have been =
"exercised" as with a Corvette shoving one self around a bit, Hans =
device. Good helmet. great roll cage. Other than that, you pays your =
money and you takes your chances. </div><div><br></div><div>Pat's a =
great guy, it was a pleasure to meet him last year. Next year is =
Peyote's fiftieth birthday. Big doings planned. T shirts, peyote =
buttons, and a new motto: "Pissing off drivers with nicer cars for fifty =
years"</div><div><br></div><div>I agree, Diane has a fine rear end, in =
fact a stellar one. Peyote's, however, is a tad =
lumpy. </div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:32 AM,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:BillDentin@aol.com";>BillDentin@aol.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><font =
face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font lang=3D"0" face=3D"Baskerville Old Face" =
color=3D"#400040" size=3D"3" family=3D"SERIF" ptsize=3D"12">In a message =
dated 09/22/2008 11:37:23 AM Central Daylight Time,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Billb@bnj.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>writes:<br><br></font><font =
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type=3D"CITE" style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; =
border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: 2px; =
border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; ">I thought Tony was =
already a member or I would have nominated him long ago. Not only does =
he drive the wheels off the TR250K (and anything else he sits in, except =
his truck which he drives like a little old lady), but he also maintains =
it, and the Bill Hart Devin, AND John James's TR4, and he brought Peyote =
back to life this year, and will finish making it far too pretty over =
the winter. Yes, he's going to replace the "Aluminum foil sack of =
walnuts" rear end that I carefully fabricated on my $200 English Wheel. =
Some people have no respect for amateur bodywork. Like Diane for =
example, who is paying Tony to replace the rear =
end.</blockquote><br></font><font lang=3D"0" face=3D"Baskerville Old =
Face" color=3D"#400040" size=3D"3" family=3D"SERIF" ptsize=3D"12" =
back=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br>On =
the Peyote? Diane's rear end is fine.<br><br>I saw Pat Starr at =
ROAD AMERICA over the week end. He borrowed a trailer and hauled =
his Morgan (same car he's raced since the 1960s) down to ELVF. He =
is still a great driver (2:51.892), less than two seconds short of his =
best lap ever. At the cocktail party Saturday night (Peter Egan =
spoke) Pat was talking about the Peyote and describing clear plastic =
spoilers they used to run on the car in the rear. =
Interesting.<br><br>Bill<br><br>PS...Sad to say...there was another =
fatality in the second Race Group 2 practice session on Friday. =
Dr. Surjit Hermon lost control of his 1957 Eastgate (LOTUS XI =
continuation or replica) and hit a stationary Mini Cooper S parked off =
course near the apex to Turn 13. High speed (80 mph +/-) impact =
(sideways). Suspected broken neck. I had raced with this guy =
many times. He was competent, courteous, never aggressive. =
He apparently lost control, tried to correct, and went sliding sidways =
into the Mini. The VSCDA has been running vintage racing events =
for thirty years and never had a really serious accident, much less a =
fatality. Now two in a month. <span =
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