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Re: engine options

To: "Marc Sayer" <marcsayer@home.com>, <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: engine options
From: "Patrick P. Castronovo" <slick1@mohaveaz.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:04:14 -0800
Ok, So then let's not use a Dishwasher Motor (302 Ford).

 I rebuilt my Corvair Motor 20 years ago, It cost me at the time $600. that
included new Jugs, Pistons, Wrist pins as well as bearings.  I understand
that same rebuild would be just over $1000 today. That motor would not be
what you would call your every day average plentiful item.  Or would you?
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Sayer <marcsayer@home.com>
To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: engine options


>"Patrick P. Castronovo" wrote:
>>
>> Now see, instead of that edelbrock carb, you could have gone for the efi,
>> and maybe thrown in a turbo for good measure. $2500 to rebuild the
engine.
>> My Machinist rebuilt my 302 mustang motor for $600. I guess the rest is
in
>> the add on components, and boring and Pistons.
>> I still think it depends on who's doing the work.
>> Pat
>
>The main difference in these two figures is the specific engine. The 215
>Buick/Rover V8 is a relatively rare bird, especially here in the US,
whereas a
>302 is as common as dishwater. Ford small block parts are easy to find and
>cheap. The engine is cast iron and easier to machine (okay perhaps not
easier as
>much as just more familiar to the machinist). Setups are much quicker
because
>they work on the 302 all the time and have the tooling and setups all
worked
>out. Setups are a major part of the time (read cost) for any machining
>operation, and in this case familiarity breeds lower costs. Just because
they
>are both V8 motors does not make them equivalent in costs of rebuilding,
any
>more than a Chevy V8 and a Porsche V8 would cost the same. $2500 for a 215
>rebuild is a very fair price. It's best to think of the 215 as a foreign V8
>rather than an American V8, then its costs make more sense. After all, its
been
>almost 40 years since that engine was made here in the US!
>
>But given that your machinist did not include boring and pistons in what
you
>thought was a rebuild, I'd say some of the reason for the low cost of your
>"rebuild" was either an issue of semantics or substandard work (for
clarity, it
>sounds like you did not get a rebuild, it sounds as if it was *at best* a
>freshen-up, and that is always much less expensive than an honest rebuild).
On a
>1500 Roadster there can be a reason to reuse the pistons, but on a Ford
small
>block, where new pistons are sooo cheap, it's just poor craftsmanship to do
so
>if you are actually rebuilding the motor (or at least are telling your
customer
>you are doing a rebuild).
>
>
>--
>Marc Sayer
>82 280ZXT
>71 FJ510

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