----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Klingler" <bklingler@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Mark Sirota" <msirota@isc.upenn.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Speed Creep!
> Hi Mark,
>
> We are all Speed Freaks--some of us are just older than others. We all
> tend to use the rules to our greatest advantage; to satisfy our need for
> speed. Having admitted that, we also need to find a way to agree to not
> bend those rules which pertain to our own or others safety. :<(
>
> I believe the Speed Creep may just be consistent with the Rules Creep.
>
> Without quoting all of Section 1.3 of the rules, I'll paraphrase; speeds
> should generally be in the mid 50's to the low 60's, and "...WITH LIMITED
> EXCEPTIONS AS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2.1, MUST BE OBSERVED."
>
> Then Section 2.1.A. of the Rules state:
> "Courses must be tight enough so that cars run the entire course in their
> lower gears. Speeds on straight stretches should not normally exceed the
> low 60's (mph) for the fastest Stock and Street Prepared cars. The
fastest
> portions of the course shall be those most remote from spectators and
> property. Turns should not normally allow speed in excess of 45 mph in
> unprepared cars. It must be remembered that sites themselves vary and not
> all sites will safely support the speeds listed in these guidelines (see
> Section 1.3). Conformity to these speed guidelines does not preclude
> reasonable and prudent consideration of the conditions encountered."
>
> OK, so now it says straights in excess of 65mph, and corners faster than
> 45mph are to be limited. But what's the limit? Undefined. And, of
> course, the reason we argue. We usually leave the limits to the very good
> judgment of the course designers and the safety stewards, and generally,
> that is an adequate safeguard. But their judgment is always subject to
> reasonable question.
>
> While those of us who did not participate at the Ft. Worth Tour cannot
make
> judgments, it would be interesting to know
>
> 1) How may abnormal straights were there?
>
> 2) How many abnormal corners?
>
> 3) Was each straight and corner safe for all of the spectators?
>
> 4) For all of the participants?
>
> This last question is really loaded. It should address the entire range
of
> vehicles which passed tech, not just the winners!
>
> Could participants please respond with answers to any or all of these
> questions?
>
>
> Bob Klingler
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Sirota" <msirota@isc.upenn.edu>
> To: "Paul Foster" <pfoster@tampabay.rr.com>
> Cc: "team.net" <autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Speed Creep!
>
>
> > Paul Foster wrote:
> > > The rules clearly state that the fastest Stock and SP cars cannot
> > > go faster than 65.
> >
> > I don't have a rulebook here at work, but I'm pretty confident
> > that the rules don't say that. They say something like "should not
> > normally exceed the low 60's for the fastest Stock and SP cars".
> > That's deliberately weak wording, not nearly as strong as your
> > "clearly" and "cannot".
> >
> > Can someone cite chapter and verse, please?
> >
> > > If you want to change the rule then go right ahead and change it.
> > > But until you do, you and the SCCA "bosses" are a bunch of
> > > hypocrites, particularly when this happens at Nationals and Tour
> > > events as is apparently the current case.
> >
> > Mark
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