I am personally not getting any of the emails in this
discussion from the CM list except the ones that Josh
is sending, despite the list being included in the
senders list. Is that true for anyone else?
One other point I would like to make about this
proposal is that I think it is addressing the apparent
problem incorrectly. If the issue is FF2000 not being
competitive currently in BM, rather than remove the
wings and detune it why not look at ways to make it
more competitive in BM since you are proposing
changing the cars anyway? BM certainly could use the
competitors more than CM can. One of the biggest
obstructions to running BM is cost. Rather than take
away a potentially more affordable entry route to BM
at the risk of adversely affecting a more successful
class, this proposal should be looking at ways to make
the FF2000 more competitive in BM and try to help the
class that needs more competitors. That makes a lot
more sense to me than creating a Solo2 specific
vehicle that may be an overdog in the class below.
This sounds a lot to me like an "I" class argument
where someone with a FF2000 wants a class that "I" can
win. If you are going to change the cars, change them
to make them more competitive in the class they are in
currently which has a lot less risk than the current
proposal does.
Steve Elzinga
--- Josh Sirota <josh@sirota.org> wrote:
> Chuck -- a single class in Pro Solo for mod cars
> isn't new. I think it was
> '95 (but maybe '94 or '96) when the same thing was
> done (actually prepared was
> included as well, if I recall, because I remember
> running against John Thomas
> and Dan Cadenhead quite a bit -- but maybe that was
> due to bumping). I
> personally hated it, because we never could tell if
> Guy Ankeny (in his BM
> Ralt) was beating us CM drivers fair-and-square or
> not :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CHARLES J VOBORIL
> To: awhollis@swbell.net ; Voboril, Chuck ; Josh
> Sirota ; Tom Saunders ; Gary
> Godula
> Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry ; Bill Gendron ; Bill
> Smiley ; Bob Woods ; Bruce
> Dickey ; Charlie Mathews ; CM ; Colan Arnold ; Craig
> Carr ; Dan Cole ; Doug
> Gill ; Eric Jones ; Kenny Baker ; Mark Sirota ;
> peter calhoun ; Pruett,
> Christopher (CK) ; Sam & Greg Scharnberg ; Stuart
> Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: CM F2000
>
>
> Well Andy,
>
> We seem to be creating unnecessary barriers such
> as saying FSAE is a
> different animal.
> They already have their own National and even
> International events to play
> in their own pond, so to speak.
>
> Doesn't it mean anything that they are competing
> on our courses for the fun
> of it and
> the chance to compare their abilities with our
> SCCA mod cars?
>
> Same goes for F125, they already have their own
> National events
> they can compete in to be 100% in their own
> element.
>
> When there is not enough FSAE at an event now, I
> assume they still get
> bumped into A-mod.
> Same for F125 Karts.
>
> A single mod class for Pro Solo was almost
> implemented by SCCA, but they
> held off last year.
> That means A-mod, B-mod, FSAE, F125, C-mod. F-mod
> , D-mod, E mod would all
> run in one class.
> The single class concept was applied to ladies
> classes last year, however.
>
>
> "There are those who would love to run FF2000" is
> evidenced by Josh in this
> discussion.
> Sample of one yesterday, I admit.
>
> Notice I didn't say "a lot".
>
> That would be like saying a "lot" of road racers
> would like to run solo.
> There is considerable documented history to
> discount that.
> (our AZ Region entry lists for the last 11 years )
>
> In a valley (Phoenix area) with 3 major race
> facilities along with solo
> sites,
> there have been statistically zero cases of
> cross-over to Solo.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
[snip]
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