Chuck -- a single class in Pro Solo for mod cars isn't new. I think it was
'95 (but maybe '94 or '96) when the same thing was done (actually prepared was
included as well, if I recall, because I remember running against John Thomas
and Dan Cadenhead quite a bit -- but maybe that was due to bumping). I
personally hated it, because we never could tell if Guy Ankeny (in his BM
Ralt) was beating us CM drivers fair-and-square or not :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: CHARLES J VOBORIL
To: awhollis@swbell.net ; Voboril, Chuck ; Josh Sirota ; Tom Saunders ; Gary
Godula
Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry ; Bill Gendron ; Bill Smiley ; Bob Woods ; Bruce
Dickey ; Charlie Mathews ; CM ; Colan Arnold ; Craig Carr ; Dan Cole ; Doug
Gill ; Eric Jones ; Kenny Baker ; Mark Sirota ; peter calhoun ; Pruett,
Christopher (CK) ; Sam & Greg Scharnberg ; Stuart Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: CM F2000
Well Andy,
We seem to be creating unnecessary barriers such as saying FSAE is a
different animal.
They already have their own National and even International events to play
in their own pond, so to speak.
Doesn't it mean anything that they are competing on our courses for the fun
of it and
the chance to compare their abilities with our SCCA mod cars?
Same goes for F125, they already have their own National events
they can compete in to be 100% in their own element.
When there is not enough FSAE at an event now, I assume they still get
bumped into A-mod.
Same for F125 Karts.
A single mod class for Pro Solo was almost implemented by SCCA, but they
held off last year.
That means A-mod, B-mod, FSAE, F125, C-mod. F-mod , D-mod, E mod would all
run in one class.
The single class concept was applied to ladies classes last year, however.
"There are those who would love to run FF2000" is evidenced by Josh in this
discussion.
Sample of one yesterday, I admit.
Notice I didn't say "a lot".
That would be like saying a "lot" of road racers would like to run solo.
There is considerable documented history to discount that.
(our AZ Region entry lists for the last 11 years )
In a valley (Phoenix area) with 3 major race facilities along with solo
sites,
there have been statistically zero cases of cross-over to Solo.
Regards,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Hollis
To: CHARLES J VOBORIL ; Voboril, Chuck ; Josh Sirota ; Tom Saunders ; Gary
Godula
Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry ; Bill Gendron ; Bill Smiley ; Bob Woods ;
Bruce Dickey ; Charlie Mathews ; CM ; Colan Arnold ; Craig Carr ; Dan Cole ;
Doug Gill ; Eric Jones ; Kenny Baker ; Mark Sirota ; peter calhoun ; Pruett,
Christopher (CK) ; Sam & Greg Scharnberg ; Stuart Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: CM F2000
FSAE will never get other cars added. As I stressed earlier, it is a
different animal. It is there strictly to support the close relationship that
SCCA has with the "real" FSAE program.
As for putting stuff into F125, that also seems silly (just my opinion).
Its a "pure" spec class now. You start putting in real cars with real
suspensions and you get major course dependencies. You can also ruin the
perceived purity of running a "cheap" kart compared to an expensive, real
race car. Not gonna happen.
You say below, "There are those who would love to run FF2000". I haven't
heard from those people. Who is saying this? Are they currently competing in
some other BM/CM car?
--Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: CHARLES J VOBORIL [mailto:cvoboril@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:24 AM
To: awhollis@swbell.net; Voboril, Chuck; Josh Sirota; Tom Saunders; Gary
Godula
Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry; Bill Gendron; Bill Smiley; Bob Woods; Bruce
Dickey; Charlie Mathews; CM; Colan Arnold; Craig Carr; Dan Cole; Doug Gill;
Eric Jones; Kenny Baker; Mark Sirota; peter calhoun; Pruett, Christopher (CK);
Sam & Greg Scharnberg; Stuart Lumpkin
Subject: Re: CM F2000
Thanks for the SAE background story, Andy.
...and to answer your question again about the "Why ask for member
input".
I think there are at least 4 proposals in the works to change B-mod.
There also seems to be those who would love to run FF2000,
if only it were competitive somewhere and they are able to experiment
with wing settings.
I'm just curious what other options are available than the
addition of large cement blocks to all the cars people don't like.
Couldn't we discuss other concepts like:
GCR FF2000 without added weight and retaining wings be be part of F125
and that GCR 900 pound DSR's run with SAE?
Would this make anyone happy?
'course It would be polite to ask SAE and F125 how they feel, just like
C-mod.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Hollis
To: Voboril, Chuck ; Josh Sirota ; Tom Saunders ; Gary Godula
Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry ; Bill Gendron ; Bill Smiley ; Bob Woods ;
Bruce Dickey ; CHARLES J VOBORIL ; Charlie Mathews ; CM ; Colan Arnold ; Craig
Carr ; Dan Cole ; Doug Gill ; Eric Jones ; Kenny Baker ; Mark Sirota ; peter
calhoun ; Pruett, Christopher (CK) ; Sam & Greg Scharnberg ; Stuart Lumpkin
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: CM F2000
I'll address this since you asked.
This came out of a very specific strategic initiative and relationship
between SCCA and the FSAE competition. Howard drove it. As I recall (please
correct me, Mark Sirota, if my memory fails me), we chose to break it out
permanently as a reflection of the success of that relationship and the level
of participation at Nats that had resulted. It was treated very differently
than any other supplemental class. In fact, we even missed a loophole which
simultaneously "created" a parallel "L" class for FSAE. Never our intention.
There isn't any L-class in the real FSAE competition, why should there be for
Solo II? Just what *are* we teaching our kids anyway (sexism)? But, I
digress...
--Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Voboril, Chuck [mailto:Chuck.Voboril@specastro.com]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:10 PM
To: awhollis@swbell.net; Josh Sirota; Tom Saunders; Gary Godula
Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry; Bill Gendron; Bill Smiley; Bob Woods;
Bruce Dickey; CHARLES J VOBORIL; Charlie Mathews; CM; Colan Arnold; Craig
Carr; Dan Cole; Doug Gill; Eric Jones; Kenny Baker; Mark Sirota; peter
calhoun; Pruett, Christopher (CK); Sam & Greg Scharnberg; Stuart Lumpkin
Subject: RE: CM F2000
On the other side of the coin....
I am pretty interested in how SAE ever came about w/out discussion.
Was I sleeping?
Did we miss a nice chance to class a bunch of similar ability cars
together happily?
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