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Are we comparing apples with oranges here? Take an air cleaner off any =
carb and you'll hear more noise. Why? Air cleaners themselves =
absorb/insulate some sound. And different kinds vary. The K&Ns are =
slightly noisier than stock MGB air cleaners. I don't think that's =
because they're less efficient. My guess is that they provide less =
acoustic insulation.=20
Kelvin - your point is well-taken. Are you saying that even if =
everything else is spot-on, it's still not worthwhile to mess with =
velocity stacks for those of us who spend most of our lives below 3500 =
rpm?
*********************************************
Allen & Florrie Bachelder
North Street, MI
bachldrs@comcast.net
*********************************************
On Nov 15, 2013, at 1:18 PM, charles durning wrote:
> Just my 2 cents. The extra noise from a fan or an engine is just the =
noise made from air movement. Though our engines do make more power at =
the higher rpms (thus more noise) it's actually not as efficent at =
processing the air movement as it is at a slower speed. I believe that =
the most efficent engine in the world has an 8 foot stroke and maxes out =
at102 rpm. It's most efficent speed is 100rpms. That gives plenty of =
time to extract all of the engergy from the fuel/air misture. When the =
heater fan is turning at 3 times the low speed it is not moving 3 times =
the air, just moving more air. Noise is just unused energy.=20
> =20
> In my case I really don't care one way or another. I have pancake air =
filters with no air flow enhancements. A nice throaty sound from a MG =
exhaust is a plesant sound no matter how it gets there.
> =20
> =20
> Charlie Durning
> =20
> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
> =20
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Wayne & Isabel Hardy =
<gwhardy@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Yea that sounds nice all that about efficiency, but fact of the matter =
is that the big old factory cleaner was much quieter than the small =
cleaners or just velocity stacks...more air seems to make more noise, =
just turn your garage fan from low to high speed and tell me which =
setting is loudest or sit in the car and turn the heater / ac fan up to =
high and compare it to the low setting and see which one you like best.
> The intake roar doesn=92t bother me in the least nor does a nice hum =
from the exhausting gases but some folks do not like gaseous noises from =
either end.
> =20
> From: Gene deRuelle
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013
> To: Michael Anderson ; List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
> =20
> If you run the little stacks, aren't you subjecting the fuel/air =
mixture to whatever is IN the air? In other words, you can't run the =
stacks and an air cleaner, can you?
> =20
> Gene D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Anderson
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
> =20
> I respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. =
"Noise" to a mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an =
undesireable by-product of inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the =
noise is sapping energy from whatever the machine is supposed to do =
(unless it's job is to make noise). Having said that, stub stacks should =
reduce noise -all else being the same - because the efficiency of the =
system is increased.
>=20
> To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs =
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet =
throat. Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at =
the carb inlet as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the =
air having to make a hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also =
introduced before the piston/bridge which is not a happy thing for nice =
even fuel induction.
>=20
> Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a =
stack on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow.=20
>=20
> Mike!
>=20
>=20
> Michael Anderson
> One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
> 775 772-2056
> =20
> From: Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net>
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America =
<zmagnette@autox.team.net>=20
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
> =20
> If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the inlet, =
then more power should always be the result. If more power is =93Better=94=
, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get a =
more better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a =
result is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the =
ticket to heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution that their =
filters flow so much more air than the usual paper ones, that a richer =
needle, or jet, or slight enrichment adjustment may be desirable for =
best running.
> Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create more inlet =
roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or not???
> I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette =
one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with =
summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and =
the resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the =
need to richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.
> MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a =
variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for =
more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran =
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.
> =20
> Wombat
> =20
> From: Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
> =20
> I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not =
talking about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a =
conical tube the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter =
conically diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases =
inside the carb. Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration =
in the air entering the carb inlet. How much lift would we get from a =
cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading =
edge?
> =20
> That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform =
any of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series =
cars. I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a =
Magnette engine always run better with stub stacks rather than the =
original plenum?
> =20
> Curious in Michigan.
> =20
> (Allen)
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
> =20
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:
>=20
>> Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. =
Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps =
your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly =
better fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere =
from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most =
just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat=85 I have a set of =
2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s on my MGB and they seem to =
help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.
>> =20
>> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Greenberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>> =20
>> What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to =
the engine than a regular pancake filter?
>> =20
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog: =
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top =
Are these from APT or Rimmer better?
>> =20
>> Always anxious to learn...
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> =20
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi everyone,
>>=20
>> I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing =
Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but I haven't =
got an answer from him.
>>=20
>> So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two =
types available at a reasonable cost:
>> $32.50 ea =
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20=
SU%20HS4.aspx
>> $57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT
>>=20
>> I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.
>> Are there any others that people would recommend?
>>=20
>> They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.
>>=20
>> regards,
>> --=20
>> Robert (in NZ)
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Are =
we comparing apples with oranges here? Take an air cleaner off any =
carb and you'll hear more noise. Why? Air cleaners themselves =
absorb/insulate some sound. And different kinds vary. The =
K&Ns are slightly noisier than stock MGB air cleaners. I don't think =
that's because they're less efficient. My guess is that they =
provide less acoustic insulation. <div><br></div><div>Kelvin - your =
point is well-taken. Are you saying that even if everything else is =
spot-on, it's still not worthwhile to mess with velocity stacks for =
those of us who spend most of our lives below 3500 rpm?<br><div>
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: =
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; =
">*********************************************</div><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Allen & Florrie =
Bachelder<br>North Street, MI</div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a =
href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>bachldrs@comcast.net</a><br>*********=
************************************<br><br></div></span></div></span></sp=
an>
</div>
<br><div><div>On Nov 15, 2013, at 1:18 PM, charles durning =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Just my 2 cents. The extra noise from a fan or =
an engine is just the noise made from air movement. Though =
our engines do make more power at the higher rpms (thus more =
noise) it's actually not as efficent at processing the air =
movement as it is at a slower speed. I believe that the most =
efficent engine in the world has an 8 foot stroke and maxes out =
at102 rpm. It's most efficent speed is 100rpms. =
That gives plenty of time to extract all of the engergy from the =
fuel/air misture. When the heater fan is turning at 3 times the =
low speed it is not moving 3 times the air, just moving more air. =
Noise is just unused energy. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>In my case I really don't care one way or another. I have =
pancake air filters with no air flow enhancements. A nice throaty =
sound from a MG exhaust is a plesant sound no matter how it gets =
there.<br clear=3D"all">
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div> </div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =
watching.</font></div>
<div> </div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Wayne & =
Isabel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">Yea that sounds nice all that about efficiency, =
but fact of the matter is that the big old factory cleaner was much =
quieter than the small cleaners or just velocity stacks...more air seems =
to make more noise, just turn your garage fan from low to high speed and =
tell me which setting is loudest or sit in the car and turn the heater / =
ac fan up to high and compare it to the low setting and see which one =
you like best.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">The intake roar doesn=92t bother me in the least =
nor does a nice hum from the exhausting gases but some folks do not like =
gaseous noises from either end.</font></div>
<div =
style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:=
small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div><font size=3D"4" face=3D"Calibri"></font> </div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"deruelle@att.net" =
href=3D"mailto:deruelle@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">Gene deRuelle</a> =
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 15, 2013 </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mjamgb@sbcglobal.net" =
href=3D"mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank">Michael =
Anderson</a> ; <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div =
style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:=
small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">If you run the little stacks, aren't you =
subjecting the fuel/air mixture to whatever is IN the air? In =
other words, you can't run the stacks and an air cleaner, can =
you?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Gene D</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px =
solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px"=
>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a =
title=3D"mjamgb@sbcglobal.net" href=3D"mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">Michael Anderson</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a =
title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 15, 2013 =
6:58 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub =
stacks</div>
<div> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new =
york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">I respectfully disagree that more air =3D=
more noise by default. "Noise" to a mechanical engineer (or most any =
engineer) is an undesireable by-product of inefficiency, i.e. whatever =
is causing the noise is sapping energy from whatever the machine is =
supposed to do (unless it's job is to make noise). Having said that, =
stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the same - because the =
efficiency of the system is increased.<br>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div>To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs =
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet =
throat. Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at =
the carb inlet as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the =
air having to make a hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also =
introduced before the piston/bridge which is not a happy thing for nice =
even fuel induction.<br>
<br>Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a =
stack on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow. <br></div>
<div><br>Mike!</div>
<div><br><br></div>
<div>Michael Anderson<br>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<br><a =
href=3D"tel:775%20772-2056" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+17757722056">775 =
772-2056</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new =
york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new =
york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<hr size=3D"1">
<font face=3D"Arial"><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> =
Wayne & Isabel Hardy <<a href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>><br><b><span =
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette Group =
- North America <<a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November =
15, 2013 1:19 AM<br><b><span =
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub =
stacks<br></font></div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for =
more air to the inlet, then more power should always be the result. If =
more power is =93Better=94, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust =
for more airflow to get a more better running motor..ie more air will =
need more fuel too if a result is to be more power. Maybe a new, =
slightly richer needle is the ticket to heaven. I know the K&N =
filter people caution that their filters flow so much more air than the =
usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment =
adjustment may be desirable for best running.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Of course all this extra air flow is also likely =
to create more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or =
not???</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather =
than the Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws =
for keeping up with summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - =
60 degree days and the resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, =
denser air, and the need to richen the mix by about 1/8th of a =
turn.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for =
better engine life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations =
around the world, and for more civilized operation in a quieter manner. =
Their true race motors ran with velocity stacks and no filters =
usually.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font> </div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</div></div></div>
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small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">I'm cautiously venturing =
beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about the Bernoulli =
Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air pressure is =
maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air pressure =
decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. Without a =
conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the =
carb inlet. How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally =
flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading edge?=20
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<div>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum =
perform any of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on =
T-series cars. I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. =
Would a Magnette engine always run better with stub stacks rather than =
the original plenum?</div>
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<div>Curious in Michigan.</div>
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<div>(Allen)</div>
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<div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</div><br>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125);FONT-SIZE:11p=
t">Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more =
power. Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake =
which helps your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque =
and slightly better fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually =
have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a =
coarse filter, most just hoping nothing of consequence enters the =
throat=85 I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s =
on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my =
Magnette.</span></div>
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><a style=3D"COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span> </span>[=
mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span> </span>=
<b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Richard Greenberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 =
PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub =
stacks</span></div></div></div>
<div style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New =
Roman',serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New =
Roman',serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a =
filter that lies closer to the engine than a regular pancake =
filter?</div>
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<div style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New =
Roman',serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen =
Bachelder wrote:</div></div>
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<div style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New =
Roman',serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">I've always just used the item #54 from the =
Moss catalog:<span> </span><a =
style=3D"COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" =
href=3D"http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28=
996#top" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIn=
dexID=3D28996#top</a><span> </span> Are these from APT or Rimmer =
better?</div>
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<div style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New =
Roman',serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Always anxious to learn...</div></div>
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