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When I was in college I worked at a plating shop. I thought the best combin=
ation was a strong steel base with chromium plating. Since the bumper is su=
pposed to absorb damage I think that is better than using Stainless steel w=
hich is weaker, I've got a 3 body in my back lot which has been sitting for=
20 years and the bumpers are perfect. They used stainless in passengeer tr=
ain construction since the 1930's, the biggest problem was that it was hard=
to spot weld.Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555=20
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=C2=A0 1. Re: Stainless Steel (stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org)
=C2=A0 2. Re: Skin deep stainless steel (stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org)
=C2=A0 3. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
=C2=A0 4. Re: Skin deep stainless steel (Patrick Baize)
=C2=A0 5. Re: Stainless Steel (Patrick Baize)
=C2=A0 6. Re: Stainless Steel (Stan Foster)
=C2=A0 7. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
=C2=A0 8. Re: Stainless Steel (DAVID MASSEY)
=C2=A0 9. Re: Stainless Steel (DAVID MASSEY)
=C2=A0 10. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
=C2=A0 11. Re: Stainless Steel (Don Hiscock)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:08:38 -0600
From: <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org>
To: "'Alex Levy'" <brserv@aol.com>,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <triumphs@autox.team.=
net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Sorry Alex,
You may want to do some fact checking.=C2=A0 There is no grade for "solid s=
tainless steel".
I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild ste=
el technology exists a of
yet.=C2=A0 Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract sp=
ecific molecules similar to
mild steel.=C2=A0 You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar=
molecules, when then allows
either chromium to be plated or for triple plate, nickel plate and then chr=
omium.
Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of stainless steel a=
re indeed magnetic
depending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.=C2=A0=20
Stainless comes in dozens of different types and chemical compositions sele=
cted for its application
and environment use.=C2=A0 Just because it is stainless steel does not mean=
it is a grade or composition
that isn't magnetic or completely corrosion resistant.
Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the product manufac=
ture, any grade of
stainless steel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless =
steel and not specify
what type.=C2=A0 Without specifying what type, you have no idea what corros=
ion properties to expect.
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alex Levy
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless s=
teel, but they were
regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese repl=
acement cooking grill for
my propane grill.=20
Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware.=20
Alex
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:15:07 -0600
From: <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org>
To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>, "'Triumph List'"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
TeriAnn,
=20
Well there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.=C2=A0 St=
ainless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of element=
s to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are magnetic.
=20
I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish job.
=20
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wa=
keman
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
=20
Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off or e=
-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport with the=
front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I hit it with =
steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in flakes with a steel=
bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could plate steel with a thin la=
yer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid for. Lasted fine in Arizona but =
couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.
I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone ha=
ve a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?
TeriAnn
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 18:28:39 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.=C2=A0 There is no grade for "solid=
stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild s=
teel technology exists a of
> yet.
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless=20
steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless=20
steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper=20
is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3=20
painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals=20
elements."
They plate them somehow.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:01:43 -0500
From: Patrick Baize <pbaize@satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
Hi All
off topic, but sort of same topic. ? The new switch plates, faucets ,=20
sink drains etc, style is oiled bronze. ? Previously it was a nickle=20
type finish.? Our entire house is oiled bronze. When I re-modeled our=20
kitchen, I bought bronze drains.? About a month later I noticed a chip=20
in one of the drains.? Today they are both nickle finish , the power=20
coating came off.? Got to be careful of what you buy.? Nickle finish=20
went out of style, so the manufacturer powder coated what they had left.
Patrick
On 5/13/2023 8:15 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>
> TeriAnn,
>
> Well there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.?=20
> Stainless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of=20
> elements to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are=20
> magnetic.
>
> I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish=20
> job.
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of=20
> *TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM
> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
>
> Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off=20
> or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport=20
> with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I=20
> hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in=20
> flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could=20
> plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid=20
> for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest=20
> winter.
>
> I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet.=20
> Anyone have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:37:20 -0500
From: Patrick Baize <pbaize@satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
ask what country of manufacture
On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid=20
>> stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over=20
>> mild steel technology exists a of
>> yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in=20
> stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100%=20
> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The=20
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper=20
> are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad=20
> weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 02:39:09 +0000
From: Stan Foster <stan@redtr6.com>
To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <MN2PR05MB657582CCF10FBBC88B8815ECFE7B9@MN2PR05MB6575.na=
mprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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ChatGPT confirms:
Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is kn=
own as electroplating or galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer=
of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel through an electrolytic p=
rocess.
In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electroly=
tic bath with a solution containing the ions of the stainless steel. An ele=
ctric current is then passed through the solution, causing the ions to be d=
eposited onto the surface of the steel.
The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of =
stainless steel, which can be beneficial for applications where the steel w=
ill be exposed to harsh environments or corrosive substances.
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wa=
keman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.=C2=A0 There is no grade for "solid=
stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over=20
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless ste=
el bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel gra=
de 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper is shiny li=
ke mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers t=
o protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
They plate them somehow.
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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=C2=A0 http://www.team.net/a=
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:05:58 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
On 5/13/23 7:37 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
> ask what country of manufacture
For the PTT stainless coated bumper, Vietnam.
>
> On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
>> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>>> Sorry Alex,
>>>
>>> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid=20
>>> stainless steel".
>>>
>>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over=20
>>> mild steel technology exists a of
>>> yet.
>>
>> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in=20
>> stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100%=20
>> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The=20
>> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of=20
>> bumper are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the=20
>> bad weather and chemicals elements."
>>
>> They plate them somehow.
>>
>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:24:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: "stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org>,=C2=A0 "brserv@aol.c=
om"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <brserv@aol.com>,=C2=A0 "triumphs@autox.team.net" <trium=
phs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
McMaster-Carr has a nice concise overview primer on various materials, inc=
luding Stainless Steel.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/about-stainless-steel/
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org
To: 'Alex Levy' <brserv@aol.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Sorry Alex,
You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainl=
ess steel".
I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild ste=
el technology exists a of
yet.? Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract specifi=
c molecules similar to
mild steel.? You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar mole=
cules, when then allows
either chromium to be plated or for triple plate, nickel plate and then chr=
omium.
Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of stainless steel a=
re indeed magnetic
depending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.?=20
Stainless comes in dozens of different types and chemical compositions sele=
cted for its application
and environment use.? Just because it is stainless steel does not mean it i=
s a grade or composition
that isn't magnetic or completely corrosion resistant.
Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the product manufac=
ture, any grade of
stainless steel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless =
steel and not specify
what type.? Without specifying what type, you have no idea what corrosion p=
roperties to expect.
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alex Levy
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless s=
teel, but they were
regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese repl=
acement cooking grill for
my propane grill.=20
Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware.=20
Alex
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: "tjwakeman@gmail.com" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are forged=
together using various processes.? It is possible that they are forging fl=
at plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming bumpers=
out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a reputation of being difficult=
to machine and this may explain why they would go to the trouble of forgin=
g a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable soft steel.
On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5=
mm"?? If that were the case why paint the inside with three coats of paint?=
? Me thinks they are lying.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stai=
nless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild s=
teel technology exists a of
> yet.
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless=20
steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless=20
steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper=20
is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3=20
painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals=20
elements."
They plate them somehow.
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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archiv=
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 06:17:12 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with steel wool is=20
about the same thickness as chrome plating.? think the question to ask a=20
manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on=20
the front. And to look at the back to see if it is painted or unpolished=20
steel.
TeriAnn
On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are=20
> forged together using various processes.? It is possible that they are=20
> forging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and=20
> forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a=20
> reputation of being difficult to machine and this may explain why they=20
> would go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more=20
> easily machinable soft steel.
>
> On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 ,=20
> thickness 1.5mm"?? If that were the case why paint the inside with=20
> three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lying.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> > Sorry Alex,
> >
> > You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid=20
> stainless steel".
> >
> > I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over=20
> mild steel technology exists a of
> > yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless
> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless
> steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper
> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3
> painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals
> elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
>
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>
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> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=20
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 09:04:04 -0500
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <CAPK7CFAALbgoZmf5-YL=3DMhH89iEKmCCdvamveDeSuOzhzX8-uQ@m=
ail.gmail.com>
Years ago (perhaps still) there was some video on YouTube showing one of
the Vietnamese workshops making stainless steel bumpers.=C2=A0 It was a bun=
ch of
Geppettos banging them out by hand in a courtyard more than a factory with
machine tooling.
My guess for why the back side is heavily painted is to hide the
handworking marks that are polished out of the front side.
TeriAnn, your 2008 bumpers sound like chrome plated carbon steel, not
polished stainless.=C2=A0 The idea of some amalgam of stainless and carbon
steels to save money doesn't square with the cottage/craft industry that
makes these, AFAIK.
On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 8:50?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
wrote:
> What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with steel wool is
> about the same thickness as chrome plating.=C2=A0 think the question to a=
sk a
> manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on
> the front. And to look at the back to see if it is painted or unpolished
> steel.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.=C2=A0 These are =
forged
> together using various processes.=C2=A0 It is possible that they are forg=
ing
> flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming
> bumpers out of that sandwich.=C2=A0 Stainless steel has a reputation of b=
eing
> difficult to machine and this may explain why they would go to the troubl=
e
> of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable soft ste=
el.
>
> On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness
> 1.5mm"=C2=A0 If that were the case why paint the inside with three coats =
of
> paint?=C2=A0 Me thinks they are lying.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com> <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> > Sorry Alex,
> >
> > You may want to do some fact checking.=C2=A0 There is no grade for "sol=
id
> stainless steel".
> >
> > I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild
> steel technology exists a of
> > yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless
> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless
> steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper
> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3
> painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals
> elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
>
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dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> 1. Re: Stainless Steel (sta=
gbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org)<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> 2. Re: Sk=
in deep stainless steel (stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org)<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"> 3. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"> 4. Re: Skin deep stainless steel (Patrick Baize)<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"> 5. Re: Stainless Steel (Patrick Baize)<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"> 6. Re: Stainless Steel (Stan Foster)<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"> 7. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"> 8. Re: Stainless Steel (DAVID MASSEY)<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"> 9. Re: Stainless Steel (DAVID MASSEY)<br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr"> 10. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"> 11. Re: Stainless Steel (Don Hiscock)<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">---------=
-------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:08:38 -0600<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">To: "'Alex Levy'" <<a href=3D"mailto:brserv@aol.com"; rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">brserv@aol.com</a>>, <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">t=
riumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] =
Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: <000001d98600$9f38=
ebd0$ddaac370$@triumphstagclub.org><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Ty=
pe: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry Alex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">You may want to do some fact checking. There i=
s no grade for "solid stainless steel".<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for pla=
ting over mild steel technology exists a of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">yet.&=
nbsp; Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract specif=
ic molecules similar to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">mild steel. You can=
copper plate mild steel because there are similar molecules, when then all=
ows<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">either chromium to be plated or for triple pl=
ate, nickel plate and then chromium.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of st=
ainless steel are indeed magnetic<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">depending on th=
e amount of ferric used in the recipe. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Stainless comes in dozens of different types and ch=
emical compositions selected for its application<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
and environment use. Just because it is stainless steel does not mean=
it is a grade or composition<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">that isn't magnetic=
or completely corrosion resistant.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the p=
roduct manufacture, any grade of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">stainless steel =
might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless steel and not sp=
ecify<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">what type. Without specifying what ty=
pe, you have no idea what corrosion properties to expect.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original Message-----<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounce=
s@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Alex Levy<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Fr=
iday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:=
triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.=
team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have come across several i=
tems that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one w=
as my Chinese replacement cooking grill for<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">my pr=
opane grill. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Also, ma=
ny grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. <br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Alex<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">** <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">t=
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---------<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message: 2<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:15:07 -0600<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">From: <<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org=
" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>&=
gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:tjwakeman@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail=
.com</a>>, "'Triumph List'"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> =
<<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"=
_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: =
Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &l=
t;000501d98601$86f5df50$94e19df0$@triumphstagclub.org><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">TeriAnn,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">We=
ll there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process. Stai=
nless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of elements =
to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are magnetic.<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating=
job, or a quick polish job.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Glenn aka S=
tagByTriumph Garage<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"=
_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wak=
eman<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">To: Triumph List <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team=
.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front &=
amp; rear bumpers off or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was i=
n an open carport with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bum=
per rusted. I hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came =
off in flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could =
plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid for. L=
asted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I guess the next SS bumper =
will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone have a reliable source for re=
al stainless steel TR3A bumpers?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">TeriAnn<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">---=
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=3D"ltr">From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <<a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.c=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID:=
<<a href=3D"mailto:e4ba1f4c-f864-baad-6327-655825fa9474@gmail.com"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">e4ba1f4c-f864-baad-6327-655825fa9474@gmail.=
com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DU=
TF-8; format=3Dflowed<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> wrot=
e:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Sorry Alex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> You may want to do some fact checking.&nbs=
p; There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> I do not believe a stainless-steel pla=
ting exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> yet.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless <=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are mad=
e of 100% stainless <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">steel grade 304 , thickness =
1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">is =
shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 <br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weathe=
r and chemicals <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">elements."<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">They plate them somehow.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message: 4<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Date: Sat, 13 =
May 2023 21:01:43 -0500<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Patrick Baize <<=
a href=3D"mailto:pbaize@satx.rr.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">pba=
ize@satx.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:tri=
umphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless s=
teel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:4da8108e-2=
e14-5c9e-a442-fd510963bf0c@satx.rr.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">=
4da8108e-2e14-5c9e-a442-fd510963bf0c@satx.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi All<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">off topic, but sort of same topic. ? Th=
e new switch plates, faucets , <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">sink drains etc, =
style is oiled bronze. ? Previously it was a nickle <br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">type finish.? Our entire house is oiled bronze. When I re-modeled our <=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">kitchen, I bought bronze drains.? About a month l=
ater I noticed a chip <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">in one of the drains.? Tod=
ay they are both nickle finish , the power <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">coati=
ng came off.? Got to be careful of what you buy.? Nickle finish <br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">went out of style, so the manufacturer powder coated what t=
hey had left.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Patrick<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">On 5/13/2023 8:15 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.=
org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</=
a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Ter=
iAnn,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Well th=
ere is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.? <br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr">> Stainless steel is forged in furnaces using different com=
positions of <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> elements to make different gra=
des of stainless steel, some which are <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> magn=
etic.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> I will =
guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish <br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">> job.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> *From:* Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triu=
mphs-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bo=
unces@autox.team.net</a>> *On Behalf Of <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> =
*TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, =
2023 5:37 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> *To:* Triumph List <<a href=
=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triu=
mphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> *Subject:* [TR] =
Skin deep stainless steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rea=
r bumpers off <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> or e-bay. Looked good fit OK.=
Last winter my TR was in an open carport <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> w=
ith the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">> hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless=
steel" came off in <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> flakes with a steel bum=
per underneath. I had no idea that you could <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
; plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">> for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle=
a pacific northwest <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> winter.<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> I guess the next SS bumper =
will need to be checked with a magnet. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Anyo=
ne have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> TeriAnn<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&g=
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-0500<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Patrick Baize <<a href=3D"mailto:p=
baize@satx.rr.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">pbaize@satx.rr.com</a=
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et" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:5a3280d7-92aa-bf4b-da58-56a35acfa971@s=
atx.rr.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">5a3280d7-92aa-bf4b-da58-56a3=
5acfa971@satx.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/p=
lain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">ask what country of manufacture<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:stagby=
triumph@triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytrium=
ph@triumphstagclub.org</a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> Sorry =
Alex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>>=
You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> stainless steel".<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> I do not believe a stainless-st=
eel plating exists for plating over <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> mil=
d steel technology exists a of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> yet.<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> "Welcome to PTT B=
UMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
; stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and=
hand polished. The <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> gloss of bumper is shin=
y like mirror polish and the backside of bumper <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
> are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">> weather and chemicals elements."<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> They plate them somehow.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> ** <a href=3D"ma=
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=3D"ltr">Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 02:39:09 +0000<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Fr=
om: Stan Foster <<a href=3D"mailto:stan@redtr6.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" tar=
get=3D"_blank">stan@redtr6.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: "TeriA=
nn J. Wakeman" <<a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>>,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&n=
bsp; "triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@a=
utox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</=
a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> =
<<a href=3D"mailto:MN2PR05MB657582CCF10FBBC88B8815ECFE7B9@MN2PR05MB6575.=
namprd05.prod.outlook.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">MN2PR05MB6575=
82CCF10FBBC88B8815ECFE7B9@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com</a>><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cont=
ent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">ChatGPT confirms:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. T=
his process is known as electroplating or galvanization and involves deposi=
ting a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel through =
an electrolytic process.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electr=
olytic bath with a solution containing the ions of the stainless steel. An =
electric current is then passed through the solution, causing the ions to b=
e deposited onto the surface of the steel.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-res=
istant properties of stainless steel, which can be beneficial for applicati=
ons where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or corrosive subs=
tances.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original =
Message-----<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto=
:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triump=
hs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: =
Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"=
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> w=
rote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Sorry Alex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> You may want to do some fact checking.&=
nbsp; There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> I do not believe a stainless-steel =
plating exists for plating over <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> mild steel =
technology exists a of yet.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainle=
ss steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless ste=
el grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper is sh=
iny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted la=
yers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">They plate them somehow.=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">** <a href=3D"mailto:=
triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.=
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iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:05:58 -0700<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <<a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.c=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID:=
<<a href=3D"mailto:8ba60579-625c-feea-5126-a34e888c6fa1@gmail.com"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">8ba60579-625c-feea-5126-a34e888c6fa1@gmail.=
com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"=
utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">On 5/13/23 7:37 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
ask what country of manufacture<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For the PTT stai=
nless coated bumper, Vietnam.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">> On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">>> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriump=
h@triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@tri=
umphstagclub.org</a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>>> Sorry Al=
ex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>&g=
t;> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>>> stainless steel".<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">>>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>>> I do not beli=
eve a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over <br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">>>> mild steel technology exists a of<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">>>> yet.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">>> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturin=
g in <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> stainless steel bumpers for classi=
c car. Our bumper are made of 100% <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> stai=
nless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The <br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">>> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the=
backside of <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> bumper are cover by 3 pain=
ted layers to protect the bumper from the <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>&g=
t; bad weather and chemicals elements."<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> They plate them somehow.<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>> ** <a href=3D"mailto=
:triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox=
.team.net</a> **<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">>> Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html"; rel=3D"nofo=
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div dir=3D"ltr">From: DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com=
" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">To: "stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclu=
b.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org=
</a>>, "brserv@aol.com"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> &nbs=
p; <<a href=3D"mailto:brserv@aol.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
>brserv@aol.com</a>>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@au=
tox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless =
Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:20407903.=
757593.1684067061088@mail.yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">204=
07903.757593.1684067061088@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"> McMaster-Carr has a nice concise overview primer on=
various materials, including Stainless Steel.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a=
href=3D"https://www.mcmaster.com/products/about-stainless-steel/"; rel=3D"n=
ofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mcmaster.com/products/about-stainles=
s-steel/</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave <br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original Me=
ssage-----<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@=
triumphstagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@trium=
phstagclub.org</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: 'Alex Levy' <<a href=3D=
"mailto:brserv@aol.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">brserv@aol.com</=
a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Sat=
, May 13, 2023 8:08 pm<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainles=
s Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry Alex,<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">You may want to do some =
fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I do not believe a stainless-steel=
plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">yet.? Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will on=
ly attract specific molecules similar to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">mild ste=
el.? You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar molecules, w=
hen then allows<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">either chromium to be plated or f=
or triple plate, nickel plate and then chromium.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Stainless steel comes in different grades, some =
grades of stainless steel are indeed magnetic<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">dep=
ending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.? <br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Stainless comes in dozens of different types=
and chemical compositions selected for its application<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">and environment use.? Just because it is stainless steel does not =
mean it is a grade or composition<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">that isn't magn=
etic or completely corrosion resistant.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for t=
he product manufacture, any grade of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">stainless st=
eel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless steel and no=
t specify<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">what type.? Without specifying what typ=
e, you have no idea what corrosion properties to expect.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original Message-----<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounce=
s@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Alex Levy<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Fr=
iday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:=
triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.=
team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have come across several i=
tems that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one w=
as my Chinese replacement cooking grill for<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">my pr=
opane grill. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Also, ma=
ny grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. <br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Alex<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
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=3D"ltr">Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC)<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
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ollow" target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
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dir=3D"ltr"> "triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:triumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@au=
tox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless =
Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:190543711=
7.1969833.1684067725142@mail.yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">=
1905437117.1969833.1684067725142@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> They make stainless pots and pans with alum=
inum inserts.? These are forged together using various processes.? It is po=
ssible that they are forging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and th=
en punching and forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has =
a reputation of being difficult to machine and this may explain why they wo=
uld go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily=
machinable soft steel.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On the other hand, they s=
ay "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm"?? If that were the ca=
se why paint the inside with three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lyin=
g.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave <br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original Message-----=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <<a href=3D"mailto:t=
jwakeman@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com<=
/a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team=
.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphs=
tagclub.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagcl=
ub.org</a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Sorry Alex,<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> You may want to do some fac=
t checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> I do not believe a stainless=
-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> yet.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in s=
tainless <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">steel bumpers for classic car. Our bump=
er are made of 100% stainless <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">steel grade 304 , =
thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover b=
y 3 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">painted layers to protect the bumper from th=
e bad weather and chemicals <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">elements."<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">They plate them somehow.<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">** <a href=3D"mailto:triumph=
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nn J. Wakeman" <<a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
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rget=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@auto=
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gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:c7256e6d-585d-3dc5-2973-f8=
d7d427eddb@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">c7256e6d-585d-3dc5=
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"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the=
rust with steel wool is <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">about the same thicknes=
s as chrome plating.? think the question to ask a <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on =
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the front. And to look at the back to see if it =
is painted or unpolished <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">steel.<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">TeriAnn<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.=
? These are <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> forged together using various p=
rocesses.? It is possible that they are <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> for=
ging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and <br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">> forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless st=
eel has a <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> reputation of being difficult to =
machine and this may explain why they <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> would=
go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">> easily machinable soft steel.<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> On the other hand, they say "100% s=
tainless steel grade 304 , <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> thickness 1.5mm"=
?? If that were the case why paint the inside with <br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">> three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lying.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Dave<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> -----Original Messag=
e-----<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <<a href=
=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakema=
n@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> To: <a href=3D"mailto:tr=
iumphs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.te=
am.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">> > Sorry Alex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> ><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> > You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no=
grade for "solid <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> stainless steel".<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">> ><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > I do not b=
elieve a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> mild steel technology exists a of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
gt; > yet.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are =
made of 100% stainless<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> steel grade 304 , thi=
ckness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by=
3<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> painted layers to protect the bumper from=
the bad weather and chemicals<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> elements."<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> They plate them=
somehow.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">> ** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; r=
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ailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gma=
il.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cc: DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"ma=
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com</a>>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> &nbs=
p; <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" ta=
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ubject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID:<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <CAPK7CFAALbgoZmf5-YL=3DMhH89iE=
KmCCdvamveDeSuOzhzX8-uQ@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Conten=
t-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Years ago (perhaps still) there was some video on YouTube s=
howing one of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the Vietnamese workshops making sta=
inless steel bumpers. It was a bunch of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gep=
pettos banging them out by hand in a courtyard more than a factory with<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">machine tooling.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">My guess for why the back side is heavily painted is to h=
ide the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">handworking marks that are polished out o=
f the front side.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Teri=
Ann, your 2008 bumpers sound like chrome plated carbon steel, not<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">polished stainless. The idea of some amalgam of stai=
nless and carbon<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">steels to save money doesn't squ=
are with the cottage/craft industry that<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">makes th=
ese, AFAIK.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Ma=
y 14, 2023 at 8:50?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <<a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gm=
ail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with stee=
l wool is<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> about the same thickness as chrome=
plating. think the question to ask a<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> =
manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> the front. And to look at the back to see if i=
t is painted or unpolished<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> steel.<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> TeriAnn<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MA=
SSEY wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> T=
hey make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts. These are for=
ged<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> together using various processes. =
It is possible that they are forging<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> flat pl=
ates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> bumpers out of that sandwich. Stainless steel has =
a reputation of being<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> difficult to machine a=
nd this may explain why they would go to the trouble<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">> of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable s=
oft steel.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> On=
the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">> 1.5mm" If that were the case why paint the=
inside with three coats of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> paint? Me =
thinks they are lying.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">> Dave<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">> -----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&g=
t; From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <<a href=3D"mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>> <<a href=3D"=
mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gm=
ail.com</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> To: <a href=3D"mailto:triump=
hs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.n=
et</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, <a href=
=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">> > Sorry Alex,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> ><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">> > You may want to do some fact checking. There is =
no grade for "solid<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> stainless steel".<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">> ><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > I do not =
believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> steel technology exists a of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
gt; > yet.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless<br=
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made of 100% stainless<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> steel grade 304 , thi=
ckness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by=
3<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> painted layers to protect the bumper from=
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