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Re: [TR] Stainless Steel,

To: "'Stan Foster'" <stan@redtr6.com>, <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel,
From: <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org>
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 13:40:58 -0600
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Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!  

Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody 
should consider
ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
 If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT 
Ai to write your
prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit 
too. (Read the
ChatGPT disclaimers)

The Science:  
Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically 
feasible" nor "complete
properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take 
something like mild
steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - 
the electrolysis
does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the 
surface of the receptor
metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the 
stainless-steel molecular
properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE 
one, stainless steel
is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel 
properties can be transferred
using electrolysis.  

Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing 
Ai deity? 
 ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this 
case, it is because
ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be 
any grade from grade
200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.

Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or 
engineered wood is solid wood
because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid 
gold" when it may be
24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want 
"solid gold" as the
criteria, I have some to sell you from China.

100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, 
fraudsters and flashy
marketing claims meant to deceive.  

Caveat Emptor ya'll.

"My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and 
herbs to the mash for
that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA 
has been playing that
% game since the day it was formed.

There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is 
not, nor has it ever
been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by 
standards written by various
engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then 
set to a "GRADE". 

316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being 
stainless steel.  100%
or Solid are meaningless.

I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all 
sorts of processes from
apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, 
ultra-pure water
production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that 
job was to know metals
the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal 
composition certified from
the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, 
food processing, and
nuclear power instrumentation.

There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or 
in contact with
nuclear generated steam.  
Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing 
molecules directly into
your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with 
your life.
  
And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today 
at least.  I am sure
technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot 
metal or mild steel
and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this 
email.  

I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph 
and it will last long
after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more 
than 50 years.  But
if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the 
grade AND polish.

Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.  

Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech 
recognition project:  Be
extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the 
specific wording and
ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect 
and will then blindly
rely upon as facts.

That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your 
question: 

"Do you know what I mean?".  

No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction 
connection directly into
your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice 
app programmer came up
with the algorithm.

Know what I mean?

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stan Foster
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

ChatGPT confirms:

Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known 
as electroplating or
galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the 
surface of the steel
through an electrolytic process.

In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic 
bath with a solution
containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed 
through the solution,
causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.

The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of 
stainless steel, which
can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh 
environments or
corrosive substances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid 
> stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel 
bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm 
and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are 
cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."

They plate them somehow.

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