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I didn=E2=80=99t know that MGs used a spacer sleeve and shims for =
adjustment. How fun would that be when doing wheel bearing service on =
all of my farm equipment. Let=E2=80=99s see =E2=80=93 8 tractors, 7 =
four-wheel hay wagons, 3 balers, four hay rakes, and the list goes =
on=E2=80=A6
=20
Alex Thomson
=E2=80=9973 TR6
=20
From: Don Hiscock [mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 8:40 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY
Cc: aljlthomson@charter.net; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front =
wheel bearing?
=20
Yeah, I know...
=20
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Still, 101??? Not 100? Nobody lists a torque setting to +/- 1% =
Especially back in the day. With the old torsion-beam torque wrenches =
with a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5 lb-ft.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
To: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front =
wheel bearing?
It's not a misprint, unless the missing space between the zero and the =
ell count. It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhaps being =
more familiar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see 101.
=20
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson =
<aljlthomson@charter.net> wrote:
Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=80=99ve never done =
any work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre-load of 101 =
ft.-lbs. for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, about 10, =
from a Farmall H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =
=E2=80=9Chand tighten to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest =
castellation=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our =
cars and trucks over the years and it seems to work.
=20
Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is that just a misprint?
=20
Alex Thomson
=20
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don =
Hiscock
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 PM
To: Philip Ethier
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front =
wheel bearing?
=20
And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 in 2014. I've not =
quite gotten over that episode yet, Yes, don't fool around with wheel =
bearings!
=20
The root cause of my wheel-fell-off episode was a restorer who was more =
used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's non-preloaded bearings. He =
read this part of the Red Book service instructions as 101 lb=C2=B7ft, =
not 10 lb=C2=B7ft. Yikes.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.png
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jp=
g
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jp=
g
=20
This happened in western Ohio, not too far from Macy's Garage as it =
turned out. And although Mark and Co. didn't do the work that led to =
the wheel coming off, they know my car and were able to take it into =
their shop that afternoon while I flew home.
=20
So listen to the voice of two of us with scary experiences. Take care =
with wheel bearings.
=20
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> =
wrote:
Don't mess with wheel bearings. Get it checked out. I lost a wheel on =
my TR4 on the way home from the VTR in 2005.
=20
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy =
<triumphstag@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Stag and have checked and changed various components like =
bottom ball joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencing a =
vibration, through the steering wheel, from the left front wheel only =
when I'm turning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly bushes.
There is no vibration going straight or when turning right.=20
I plan to swap the wheel with my spare, but can a bad bearing cause =
these symptoms?
The hub rotates smoothly and there is no noise.
=20
The TR6 uses a similar vertical link setup as the Stag. The hub bearings =
are tapered.
=20
=20
Sujit=20
=20
--=20
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California
https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
** triumphs@autox.team.net **
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com
=20
--=20
Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
** triumphs@autox.team.net **
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com
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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs =
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I =
didn=E2=80=99t know that MGs used a spacer sleeve and shims for =
adjustment. How fun would that be when doing wheel bearing service on =
all of my farm equipment. Let=E2=80=99s see =E2=80=93 8 tractors, 7 =
four-wheel hay wagons, 3 balers, four hay rakes, and the list goes =
on=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=E2=80=9973 =
TR6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Don Hiscock [mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
February 28, 2023 8:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY<br><b>Cc:</b> =
aljlthomson@charter.net; triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel =
bearing?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yeah, I know...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Still, =
101??? Not 100? Nobody lists a torque setting to +/- =
1% Especially back in the day. With the old torsion-beam =
torque wrenches with a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5 =
lb-ft.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ave </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: Don Hiscock <<a =
href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Alex & Janet =
Thomson <<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>><br>Cc: Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Feb 27, =
2023 7:28 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative =
of a bad front wheel bearing?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"m_25085995673554113yiv5715629523"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It's not a =
misprint, unless the missing space between the zero and the ell =
count. It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhaps being =
more familiar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see =
101.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"m_25085995673554113yiv5715629523yqt74756"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
ow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=80=99ve never done =
any work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre-load of 101 =
ft.-lbs. for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, about 10, =
from a Farmall H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =
=E2=80=9Chand tighten to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest =
castellation=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our =
cars and trucks over the years and it seems to =
work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>C=
an someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is that just a =
misprint?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A=
lex Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> =
Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Don Hiscock<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Philip Ethier<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel =
bearing?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A=
nd I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 in 2014. I've =
not quite gotten over that episode yet, Yes, don't fool around =
with wheel bearings!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
he root cause of my wheel-fell-off episode was a restorer who was more =
used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's non-preloaded bearings. =
He read this part of the Red Book service instructions as 101 =
lb=C2=B7ft, not 10 lb=C2=B7ft. =
Yikes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a =
href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3M=
K.png" =
target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/=
O/i-7mHq3MK.png</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a =
href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPq=
t3-XL.jpg" =
target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/=
XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
a =
href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPG=
jg-X3.jpg" =
target=3D"_blank">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/=
X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
his happened in western Ohio, not too far from Macy's Garage as it =
turned out. And although Mark and Co. didn't do the work that led =
to the wheel coming off, they know my car and were able to take it into =
their shop that afternoon while I flew =
home.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>S=
o listen to the voice of two of us with scary experiences. Take =
care with wheel bearings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Philip Ethier <<a =
href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">pethier7@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
on't mess with wheel bearings. Get it checked out. I =
lost a wheel on my TR4 on the way home from the VTR in =
2005.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphstag@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
have a Stag and have checked and changed various components like bottom =
ball joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencing a vibration, =
through the steering wheel, from the left front wheel only =
when I'm turning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly =
bushes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
here is no vibration going straight or when turning =
right. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
plan to swap the wheel with my spare, but can a bad bearing cause =
these symptoms?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
he hub rotates smoothly and there is no =
noise.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
he TR6 uses a similar vertical link setup as the Stag. The hub =
bearings are tapered.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
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