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Still, 101???=C2=A0 Not 100?=C2=A0 Nobody lists a torque setting to +/- 1%=
=C2=A0 Especially back in the day.=C2=A0 With the old torsion-beam torque w=
renches with a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5 lb-ft.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
To: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?
It's not a misprint, unless the missing space between the zero and the ell =
count.=C2=A0 It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhaps being mor=
e familiar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see 101.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.n=
et> wrote:
Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=80=99ve never done an=
y work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre-load of 101 ft.-lbs. =
for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, about 10, from a Farmal=
l H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =E2=80=9Chand tighten =
to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest castellation=E2=80=9D. T=
hat=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our cars and trucks over the years=
and it seems to work.=C2=A0Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is =
that just a misprint?=C2=A0Alex Thomson=C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:triumph=
s-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 PM
To: Philip Ethier
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?=C2=A0And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 in 2=
014.=C2=A0 I've not quite gotten over that episode yet,=C2=A0 Yes, don't fo=
ol around with wheel bearings!=C2=A0The root cause of my wheel-fell-off epi=
sode was a restorer who was more used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's n=
on-preloaded bearings.=C2=A0 He read this part of the Red Book service inst=
ructions as 101 lb=C2=B7ft, not 10 lb=C2=B7ft.=C2=A0 Yikes.https://photos.s=
mugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.pnghttps://photos.smugmu=
g.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jpghttps://photos.smugmug=
.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jpg=C2=A0This happened in =
western Ohio, not too far from Macy's Garage as it turned out.=C2=A0 And al=
though Mark and Co. didn't do the work that led to the wheel coming off, th=
ey know my car and were able to take it into their shop that afternoon whil=
e I flew home.=C2=A0So listen to the voice of two of us with scary experien=
ces.=C2=A0 Take care with wheel bearings.=C2=A0On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01=
PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't mess with=C2=A0wheel bearings.=C2=A0 Get it checked out.=C2=A0 I lost=
a wheel on my TR4 on the way home from the VTR in 2005.=C2=A0On Mon, Feb 2=
7, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Stag and have checked and changed various components like bottom b=
all joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencing a vibration, throu=
gh the steering=C2=A0wheel,=C2=A0 from the left front wheel only when I'm t=
urning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly bushes.There is no v=
ibration going straight or when turning right.=C2=A0I plan to swap the whee=
l with my spare,=C2=A0 but can a bad bearing cause these symptoms?The hub r=
otates smoothly and there is no noise.=C2=A0The TR6 uses a similar vertical=
link setup as the Stag. The hub bearings=C2=A0are tapered.=C2=A0=C2=A0Suji=
t=C2=A0
=C2=A0-- Sujit Roy
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Still, 101??? Not 100? Nobody lists a to=
rque setting to +/- 1% Especially back in the day. With the old=
torsion-beam torque wrenches with a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5=
lb-ft.</font><br>
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<div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
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size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com><br>
To: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net><br>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"yiv5715629523">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:small;" class=3D"yiv5715629523gmail_default">It's n=
ot a misprint, unless the missing space between the zero and the ell count.=
It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhaps being more fami=
liar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see 101.</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div id=3D"yiv5715629523yqt74756" class=3D"yiv5715629523yqt4294754480">
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv5715629523gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at =
7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net";>aljlthomson@charter.net</a>> =
wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"yiv5715629523gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523msg2070731444121065553">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523m_2070731444121065553WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);">Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=
=80=99ve never done any work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre=
-load of 101 ft.-lbs. for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, a=
bout 10, from a Farmall H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =
=E2=80=9Chand tighten to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest ca=
stellation=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our cars and=
trucks over the years and it seems to work.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);">Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is that j=
ust a misprint?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);">Alex Thomson<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
-family:Tahoma,;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:Tahoma,;"> Triumphs [mailto:<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Hiscock<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b=
> Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Philip Eth=
ier<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b>=
Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel beari=
ng?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B a=
t 70 mph on I-70 in 2014. I've not quite gotten over that episode yet=
, Yes, don't fool around with wheel bearings!<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">The root cause of my wheel-fell-off e=
pisode was a restorer who was more used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's=
non-preloaded bearings. He read this part of the Red Book service in=
structions as 101 lb=C2=B7ft, not 10 lb=C2=B7ft. Yikes.<u></u><u></u>=
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/phot=
os/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.png">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/=
i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.png</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/phot=
os/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/pho=
tos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jpg</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
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r" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/phot=
os/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/pho=
tos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jpg</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">This happened in western Ohio, not to=
o far from Macy's Garage as it turned out. And although Mark and Co. =
didn't do the work that led to the wheel coming off, they know my car and w=
ere able to take it into their shop that afternoon while I flew home.<u></u=
><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">So listen to the voice of two of us w=
ith scary experiences. Take care with wheel bearings.<u></u><u></u></=
div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Phili=
p Ethier <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gm=
ail.com">pethier7@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">Don't mess with wheel bearings.&=
nbsp; Get it checked out. I lost a wheel on my TR4 on the way home fr=
om the VTR in 2005.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AF=
PM Sujit Roy <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triu=
mphstag@gmail.com">triumphstag@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">I have a Stag and have checked and ch=
anged various components like bottom ball joint and top shock mount, but am=
still experiencing a vibration, through the steering wheel, fro=
m the left front wheel only when I'm turning left. The car had been fitted =
with all new poly bushes.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">There is no vibration going straight =
or when turning right. <u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">I plan to swap the wheel with my spar=
e, but can a bad bearing cause these symptoms?<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">The hub rotates smoothly and there is=
no noise.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">The TR6 uses a similar vertical link =
setup as the Stag. The hub bearings are tapered.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">Sujit <br clear=3D"all"><u></u><=
u></u></div>
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</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5715629523MsoNormal">Sujit Roy<br clear=3D"none">Cupertino=
, California<u></u><u></u></div>
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