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Re: [Shop-talk] Bad breaker?

from [Jimmie Mayfield] [Permanent Link][Original]
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bad breaker?
From: Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 12:34:15 -0500
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The fly in the ointment is the k&t wiring.  Will a GFI or AFI breaker 
work reliably with k&t?

J


On 2/1/25 11:36, Jim Franklin wrote:
> If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output 
> side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker output and 
> ground, you should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing 
> its job, i.e. there's short somewhere. If you don't see continuity, 
> it's an unknown, in which case I'd replace it with a GFI breaker 
> (since you want to do that anyway) and see what happens.
>
> jim
>
>> On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have 
>> failed. It won't reset.
>>
>> It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or 
>> might there be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that 
>> breaker only has one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and 
>> still has active knob and tube. ffs. And there are at least four 
>> breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI 
>> so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it.
>>
>> So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and 
>> call and electrician?
>>
>> Thanks
>> tim
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The fly in the ointment is the k&amp;t
      wiring.  Will a GFI or AFI breaker work reliably with k&amp;t?<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">J</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/1/25 11:36, Jim Franklin wrote:<br>
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      If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the
      output side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker
      output and ground, you should get a good idea if the breaker is
      actually doing its job, i.e. there's short somewhere. If you don't
      see continuity, it's an unknown, in which case I'd replace it with
      a GFI breaker (since you want to do that anyway) and see what
      happens. 
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>jim<br>
        <div><br>
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            <div>On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim .
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12pt;">The
                breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to
                have failed. It won't reset. </div>
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12pt;">It
                is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new
                one or might there be another issue in the circuit? Near
                as I can tell that breaker only has one outlet on it.
                (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob
                and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers
                controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not
                GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under
                the sink to do it. </div>
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style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; 
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text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 
12pt;">So,
                can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the
                bullet and call and electrician?</div>
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