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Howdy,
The other day, I finally got around to selling the extra battery powered
string trimmer I have, since I switched all my stuff to the red brand.
Cheapo Black and Decker. Last used probably 5 years ago? Maybe more.
It'd just been sitting there with the battery in the charger the whole time=
.
I clicked the battery into the tool, pulled the trigger, and it spun right
up, just like it always had.
My life is better with less small engines in it.
Mark
On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 5:32 AM Donald H Locker <dhlocker@comcast.net> wrote=
:
> <
> https://cdn.datamanager.arinet.com/image/MTD/d075d134-a7c8-43a8-95d3-3b44=
c0191f4a/ExtraLarge
> >
> is an exploded parts diagram of the engine. Ignition module (includes
> the coil) is #24; flywheel is #23.
>
> More information is through
> <https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/service-and-parts#diagrams>
> and put in your model number (I picked the first choice for the TB4BP
> because I don't know your exact model number) and poke around for the
> engine parts.
>
> Small engines are just like large engines, but smaller :-). They tend to
> be more finicky because there is only one cylinder and if it gets
> flakey, there is no one else to take up the slack.
>
> HTH,
> Donald.
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>
> On 2020-08-08 9:27 p.m., Scott Hall wrote:
> > Update for those of you sadistic-enough to keep reading: the intake
> > valve was...loose? Open? The gap was too wide.
> >
> > The spec is .003 to .006 intake and exhaust - my smallest feeler is
> > .006. I adjusted it to be tight on .006.
> >
> > The hard start is totally fixed. Starts great now.
> >
> > Still won't accelerate. Opening the throttle bogs it and it'll die if
> > you don't let off. Curing the starting issue seems to have thrown the
> > bogging issue into starker relief.
> >
> > Exhaust can is clear. Gas is new. Air filter is clean and freshly oiled
> > and removing it entirely changes nothing.
> >
> > I am unfamiliar with valves making something not run--my experience is
> > either on Ford V-8s or a Triumph 1147 I-4, or Honda or Kawasaki SS
> > motorcycle engines, none of which ever had issues with the valves. This
> > thing's valves are literally just adjusted with a 5/16" nut--there's no
> > locking nut. Is it possible that making the intake or exhaust valve
> > tighter or looser could cause something like this? Like should I shoot
> > for one end of the spec of another?
> >
> > Last thing left would be the coil like Tom suggested. There's no mentio=
n
> > of it in the owners manual and I don't see it in a parts search so far,
> > but I started with Amazon.
> >
> > Seriously. I have built--from rusty blocks--a Ford 289 and 390. A
> > Triumph 1147 that came in several Tupperware bins. More rebuilds of
> > CBR600 and ZX750 engines than I like to think about.
> >
> > A leaf blower engine is threatening to best me. I want to back over it
> > with the truck just to make it disappear. I think I'm looking for moral
> > support here.
> >
> > Worn cylinder or piston? Bad valve entirely? I could dig out a
> > compression tester, but there's no spec for it in the manual anyway. I'=
m
> > kinda at a loss here.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:40 PM Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com
> >
> > I had a leaf blower stop running a few years back due to a bad
> > ignition coil. Have you verified you=E2=80=99ve got spark? I don=E2=
=80=99t see that
> > specifically mentioned (yes, you did mention the spark plug)
> >
> > =E2=80=94
> > Tom Coradeschi
> >
> >
> > > On 05 Aug 2020, at 5:09 PM, Scott Hall
> > <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com
> > >
> > > The carb is getting fuel. I can see it in the fuel lines and it
> > pumps using the primer bulb.
> > >
> > > The symptoms are identical with the old and new carb. I can't see
> > the end of the fuel line but the only remaining fuel issue could be
> > that the new fuel filter (a pumice stone-like thing on the end of
> > the fuel line) could be restrictive. Working against that theory is
> > that it did the same thing with the old fuel filter.
> > >
> > > I don't think the problem is the fuel system. The problem
> > is...what's left? I swapped the spark plug just to do it.
> > >
> > > It's a four-cycle engine. Might the valves (like the intake and
> > exhaust valves in the head) come out of adjustment? This condition
> > has been developing over more than a year...perhaps the valves are
> > slowly coming out of adjustment?
> > >
> > > I don't know what conditions un-adjusted valves cause. I can't
> > think of what else it could be.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM <alfuller194@gmail.com
> > > Can you confirm whether it is actually getting fuel to the carb?
> > Try starting it with ether/carb cleaner/gasoline directly to the
> carb?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Fuller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:06 PM
> > > Subject: [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Troy Bilt four-stroke backpack leaf blower.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Replaced the carb and plug.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No change in symptoms: hard start, choke useless, engine bogs on
> > application of throttle.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like fuel/air to me. That's the carb. The carb and
> > plug are brand new. The old carb and plug look fine and it's doing
> > the same thing. The carb isn't the problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am literally out of ideas. Any idea what to look at next before
> > I just toss it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks and (*&^*&%&#()_#@&*$&#^&^%.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>The other day, I finally got aro=
und to selling the extra battery powered string trimmer I have, since I swi=
tched all my stuff to the red brand.<br><br>Cheapo Black and Decker.=C2=A0 =
Last used probably 5 years ago?=C2=A0 Maybe more.=C2=A0 It'd just been =
sitting there with the battery in the charger the whole time.<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>I clicked the battery into the tool, pulled the trigger, an=
d it spun right up, just like it always had.</div><div><br></div><div>My li=
fe is better with less small engines in it.<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 9,=
2020 at 5:32 AM Donald H Locker <<a href=3D"mailto:dhlocker@comcast.net=
">dhlocker@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><<a href=3D"https://cdn.datamanager.arinet.com/ima=
ge/MTD/d075d134-a7c8-43a8-95d3-3b44c0191f4a/ExtraLarge" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://cdn.datamanager.arinet.com/image/MTD/d075d134-a7c=
8-43a8-95d3-3b44c0191f4a/ExtraLarge</a>><br>
is an exploded parts diagram of the engine. Ignition module (includes<br>
the coil) is #24; flywheel is #23.<br>
<br>
More information is through<br>
<<a href=3D"https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/service-and-parts#diagrams"; r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/service-=
and-parts#diagrams</a>><br>
and put in your model number (I picked the first choice for the TB4BP<br>
because I don't know your exact model number) and poke around for the<b=
r>
engine parts.<br>
<br>
Small engines are just like large engines, but smaller :-). They tend to<br=
>
be more finicky because there is only one cylinder and if it gets<br>
flakey, there is no one else to take up the slack.<br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
Donald.<br>
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On 2020-08-08 9:27 p.m., Scott Hall wrote:<br>
> Update for those of you sadistic-enough to keep reading: the intake<br=
>
> valve was...loose? Open? The gap was too wide.<br>
> <br>
> The spec is .003 to .006 intake and exhaust - my smallest=C2=A0feeler =
is<br>
> .006. I adjusted it to be tight on .006.=C2=A0<br>
> <br>
> The hard start is totally fixed. Starts great now.<br>
> <br>
> Still won't accelerate. Opening the throttle bogs it and it'll=
die if<br>
> you don't let off. Curing the starting issue seems to have thrown =
the<br>
> bogging issue into starker relief.<br>
> <br>
> Exhaust can is clear. Gas is new. Air filter is clean and freshly oile=
d<br>
> and removing it entirely changes nothing.<br>
> <br>
> I am unfamiliar with valves making something not run--my experience is=
<br>
> either on Ford V-8s or a Triumph 1147 I-4, or Honda or Kawasaki SS<br>
> motorcycle engines, none of which ever had issues with the valves. Thi=
s<br>
> thing's valves are literally just adjusted with a 5/16" nut--=
there's no<br>
> locking nut. Is it possible that making the intake or exhaust valve<br=
>
> tighter or looser could cause something like this? Like should I shoot=
<br>
> for one end of the spec of another?<br>
> <br>
> Last thing left would be the coil like Tom suggested. There's no m=
ention<br>
> of it in the owners manual and I don't see it in a parts search so=
far,<br>
> but I started with Amazon.=C2=A0<br>
> <br>
> Seriously. I have built--from rusty blocks--a Ford 289 and 390. A<br>
> Triumph 1147 that came in several Tupperware bins. More rebuilds of<br=
>
> CBR600 and ZX750 engines than I like to think about.<br>
> <br>
> A leaf blower engine is threatening to best me. I want to back over it=
<br>
> with the truck just to make it disappear. I think I'm looking for =
moral<br>
> support here.<br>
> <br>
> Worn cylinder or piston? Bad valve entirely? I could dig out a<br>
> compression tester, but there's no spec for it in the manual anywa=
y. I'm<br>
> kinda at a loss here.<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:40 PM Tom Coradeschi <<a href=3D"mailto:tj=
cora@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">tjcora@icloud.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"; target=3D"_blank">tjco=
ra@icloud.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I had a leaf blower stop running a few years back d=
ue to a bad<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ignition coil. Have you verified you=E2=80=99ve got=
spark? I don=E2=80=99t see that<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0specifically mentioned (yes, you did mention the sp=
ark plug)<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=94<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Coradeschi<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">tjcora@icloud.com</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:tjcora@icloud.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">tjcora@icloud.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 05 Aug 2020, at 5:09 PM, Scott Hall<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:=
<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> The carb is getting fuel. I can see it in the =
fuel lines and it<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pumps using the primer bulb.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> The symptoms are identical with the old and ne=
w carb. I can't see<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the end of the fuel line but the only remaining fue=
l issue could be<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that the new fuel filter (a pumice stone-like thing=
on the end of<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the fuel line) could be restrictive. Working agains=
t that theory is<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that it did the same thing with the old fuel filter=
.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I don't think the problem is the fuel syst=
em. The problem<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is...what's left? I swapped the spark plug just=
to do it.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> It's a four-cycle engine. Might the valves=
(like the intake and<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0exhaust valves in the head) come out of adjustment?=
This condition<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0has been developing over more than a year...perhaps=
the valves are<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0slowly coming out of adjustment?<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I don't know what conditions un-adjusted v=
alves cause. I can't<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0think of what else it could be.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM <<a href=3D"=
mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a><b=
r>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"=
target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Can you confirm whether it is actually getting=
fuel to the carb?<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Try starting it with ether/carb cleaner/gasoline di=
rectly to the carb?<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ----------------<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> All the best,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Al Fuller<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-tal=
k-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t</a><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>> =
On Behalf Of Scott Hall<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:06 PM<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: <a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mail=
to:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>=
><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing smal=
l engines d*mn again<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Troy Bilt four-stroke backpack leaf blower.<br=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Replaced the carb and plug.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> No change in symptoms: hard start, choke usele=
ss, engine bogs on<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0application of throttle.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> That sounds like fuel/air to me. That's th=
e carb. The carb and<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0plug are brand new. The old carb and plug look fine=
and it's doing<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the same thing. The carb isn't the problem.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I am literally out of ideas. Any idea what to =
look at next before<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I just toss it?<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Thanks and (*&^*&%&#()_#@&*$&a=
mp;#^&^%.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Scott<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ______________________________________________=
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