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Sure be glad to have more info. I have done a lot of arduino projects, but
have been finding the PID theory a bit of a tough nut to crack.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:19 PM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:
> John,
>
>
>
> Agreed. I built a PID Controller setup for my smoker using a Inkjet
> 106-RL. It=E2=80=99s a great way to go. Now I just need to find a kiln.=
I can
> provide some good info if you are still working on it.
>
>
>
> Yes, aware of issues opening a 900=C2=B0F oven.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> *From:* John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 8, 2020 10:57 AM
> *To:* Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Annealing Copper bars
>
>
>
> Another option for you, find someone that has a kiln. I have an old
> electric kiln that I got for free because it was old. I added a simple
> thermocouple temperature gauge to it and it works great for annealing and
> heat treating small parts. My next project is actually adding solid-stat=
e
> relays and a PID controller so I can do some more precise temperature
> control. If you do this, or use a modified oven, do be careful. There i=
s
> a reason that oven doors lock at high temperatures.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 11:12 AM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:
>
> I agree, but I=E2=80=99m not sure at what temperature the oven will relea=
se the
> latch and I=E2=80=99m not modifying the latch on a new Inductive range. <=
grin>
> Thought about it on the old over for making high temperature 900=C2=B0F p=
izza,
> but that was the old oven=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> The path forward using the oven is probably going to be the first step.
> If it gets me at or close to what I need, I will be done. If not, I will
> get with my body guy and see if I can use his Oxy torch.
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *John
> Innis
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 8, 2020 8:58 AM
> *To:* Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Annealing Copper bars
>
>
>
> The oven would work fine, you just need to add a quench as soon as
> possible when you come out.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:43 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> So, referring back to the OP about using the oven to anneal the bars, it
> WOULDN=E2=80=99T be a good choice.
>
>
>
> Peace,
>
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
>
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2020, at 10:03 AM, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> This matches my understanding as well. Brass and copper soften when
> quenched. Steel and Aluminum harden when quenched.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Could be (the plot thickens):
>
> "Annealing copper makes it softer and less brittle, which allows you to
> bend it without breaking it. This malleability allows you to hammer and
> mold the copper into any shape you wish without cracking the metal. You
> can anneal any grade and thickness of copper as long as you have a flame
> that can transmit enough heat to the metal. The most straightforward way
> to anneal copper is by heating it with an oxygen acetylene torch and
> rapidly cooling it in water."
>
> https://www.wikihow.com/Anneal-Copper
>
>
>
> On 8/8/2020 7:43 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> > Maybe you=E2=80=99re right & I=E2=80=99m wrong! Wouldn=E2=80=99t be the=
first time.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Pat
> >
> > Pat Horne
> > We support Habitat for Humanity
> >
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFWell snap. I've been doing it wrong all these years I've reuse=
d copper,
> mostly on sealing washers for oil pan plugs.
> >
> > Thanks for the reply.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >> On 8/8/2020 7:21 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> >> I thought quenching made the metal less soft.
> >>
> >> Annealing requires slow cooling.
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Pat
> >>
> >> Pat Horne
> >> We support Habitat for Humanity
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 8, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> =EF=BB=BF Question for the List: Is it proper to quench--in water, pre=
sumably,
> or oil maybe--copper to achieve softness after it's been heated 'cherry
> red?'
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sure be glad to have more info. I have done a lot of ardui=
no projects, but have been finding the PID theory a bit of a tough nut to c=
rack.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 1:19 PM Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:J=
IBrooks@live.com">JIBrooks@live.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-2762930209784427355WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">John,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Agreed.=C2=A0 I built a PID Con=
troller setup for my smoker using a Inkjet 106-RL.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s a gre=
at way to go.=C2=A0 Now I just need to find a kiln.=C2=A0 I can provide som=
e
good info if you are still working on it. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Yes, aware of issues opening a =
900=C2=B0F oven.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Jack<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;borde=
r-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Innis <<a href=3D"mailto:jdinni=
s@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jdinnis@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 8, 2020 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">JIBrooks@live.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Annealing Copper bars<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Another option for you, find someone that has a kiln=
.=C2=A0 I have an old electric kiln that I got for free because it was old.=
=C2=A0 I added a simple thermocouple temperature gauge to it and it works g=
reat for annealing and heat treating small parts.=C2=A0
My next project is actually adding solid-state relays and a PID controller=
so I can do some more precise temperature control.=C2=A0 If you do this, o=
r use a modified oven, do be careful.=C2=A0 There is a reason that oven doo=
rs lock at high temperatures.
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 11:12 AM Jack Brooks <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live.com"; target=3D"_blank">JIBrooks@live.com</a>>=
; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">I agree, but I=E2=80=99m not su=
re at what temperature the oven will release the latch and I=E2=80=99m not =
modifying
the latch on a new Inductive range. <grin>=C2=A0 Thought about it on=
the old over for making high temperature 900=C2=B0F pizza, but that was th=
e old oven=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">The path forward using the oven=
is probably going to be the first step.=C2=A0 If it gets me at or close
to what I need, I will be done.=C2=A0 If not, I will get with my body guy =
and see if I can use his Oxy torch.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Thanks everyone,</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Jack</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;p=
adding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-ta=
lk-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Innis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 8, 2020 8:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pat Horne <<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">patintexas@icloud.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Annealing Copper bars<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The oven would work fine, you just need to add a que=
nch as soon as possible when you come out.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:43 AM Pat Horne <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; target=3D"_blank">patintexas@icloud.com<=
/a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium =
medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-c=
olor:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, referring back to the OP about using the oven to=
anneal the bars, it WOULDN=E2=80=99T be a good choice.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Peace,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Pat<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pat Horne=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We support Habitat for Humanity<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
On Aug 8, 2020, at 10:03 AM, John Innis <<a href=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">jdinnis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This matches my understanding as well.=C2=A0 Brass a=
nd copper soften when quenched.=C2=A0 Steel and Aluminum harden when quench=
ed.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Bob Spidell <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</=
a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium =
medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-c=
olor:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Could be (the plot thic=
kens):<br>
<br>
"Annealing copper makes it softer and less brittle, which allows you t=
o <br>
bend it without breaking it. This malleability allows you to hammer and <br=
>
mold the copper into any shape you wish without cracking the metal. You <br=
>
can anneal any grade and thickness of copper as long as you have a flame <b=
r>
that can transmit enough heat to the metal. The most straightforward way <b=
r>
to anneal copper is by heating it with an oxygen acetylene torch and <br>
rapidly cooling it in water."<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.wikihow.com/Anneal-Copper"; target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/www.wikihow.com/Anneal-Copper</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/8/2020 7:43 AM, Pat Horne wrote:<br>
> Maybe you=E2=80=99re right & I=E2=80=99m wrong! Wouldn=E2=80=99t b=
e the first time.<br>
><br>
> Peace,<br>
> Pat<br>
><br>
> Pat Horne<br>
> We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Aug 8, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> =EF=BB=BFWell snap. I've been doing it wrong all these years I'=
;ve reused copper, mostly on sealing washers for oil pan plugs.<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the reply.<br>
> Bob<br>
><br>
><br>
>> On 8/8/2020 7:21 AM, Pat Horne wrote:<br>
>> I thought quenching made the metal less soft.<br>
>><br>
>> Annealing requires slow cooling.<br>
>><br>
>> Peace,<br>
>> Pat<br>
>><br>
>> Pat Horne<br>
>> We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Aug 8, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspi=
dell@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> =EF=BB=BF Question for the List: Is it proper to quench--in water,=
presumably, or oil maybe--copper to achieve softness after it's been h=
eated 'cherry red?'<br>
>><br>
>> Bob<br>
>><br>
<br>
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