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Re: Weight and Balance stuff again

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Subject: Re: Weight and Balance stuff again
From: "Thomas E. Bryant" <saltracer@awwwsome.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:35:13 -0700
Glenn,

Don't feel too bad, I'm not sure that I understand the terms too well 
either. I didn't even consider either until the car had spun at two 
consecutive meets. After discussing our problem with a few more savvy 
racers, I understood that the center if gravity is the weight balance 
point front to rear. (As Jack has suggested, it is easy to find by 
taking a couple of floor jacks and finding the point, fore & aft, where 
the car will balance.) The center of mass is an aerodynamic 
consideration. (the part of the vehicle that produces the most 
resistance going through the air.) A bit more difficult to determine. I 
understand that this point may even change as the car increases in 
speed. Basically, it seems to be the biggest part of the car. 
Considering a coupe/sedan, it would be at the windshield area, I would 
think.

When we checked our car, the center of gravity was about six inches 
behind the front of the door opening. We chose a location directly below 
the bottom of the leading edge of the windshield, jacked the car up at 
this point and added weight to the front of the car, roughly three feet 
behind the front axle, until it balanced. It required 500 lbs. The car 
weighs about 3000 lbs with the 500 lbs in place without the driver.

At the World finals in 1997, I took the first ride, and as I have 
stated, the car literally freewheel for better than a mile on a very 
loose course. The car moved, (drifted) from side to side on the course, 
but without a hint of the rear wanting to get out to the side. I 
considered the car cured.

At the previous meets, both spins had been snap spins, around once and 
on down the course. We caught the spin at the World of Speed on video. 
It took about two seconds from going straight down the course to 
completing a spin and headed on down the course. (This spin is on my web 
page if you would like to see it. www.bryantauto.com)

As has been mentioned already, how much a car is out of balance will 
definitely affect the results of ill handling. After a couple of runs at 
the World Finals, Jeff hit a hole on the turnout and broke a suspension 
arm. I hadn't changed the front springs and the extra weight got us into 
a coil bind situation. We fixed the damaged arm and took out about half 
the weight. This put the car back into an unbalanced condition, but not 
as sever as before the weight was added. However, this time when the car 
got into trouble, it went into a long lazy spin, giving it more time to 
dig in and get up side down. If I was able to choose, I would prefer the 
quick spins.

Since all this, we have added a spoiler and taken out the weight. The 
car has had no problems since. Of course, we have been running on better 
courses and, since 2000, have been running gasoline instead of the 
Alky/nitrous setup. When discussing this issue, I like Tom Burklands 
comment. He said, "Think of the car as an arrow, you can add weight to 
the front or feathers on the tail." At this point, the feathers seem to 
be working.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/GCC

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