I am not roughed up any more than i wanted to be. i am glad i stimulated
some conversation and controversy. to be honest with the list, i have to
bolt my mouth shut sometimes. safety wire, zip locks, lok -tite just doesnt
do it. The fact that something has been done a certain way, for ever,
whatever, just makes me want to do it differently. because. its like the
sign that says "no fishing" all u want to do after you read that is to go
fishing RIGHT there, even if there is a reason to not fish there. u know
what i mean. i think it is mans nature. dont eat the apple. dont run without
fenders (panels sic.)....it all comes from the same root!!
the nature of street roadsters has changed alot. not by definition of the
SCTA but by what can be run on the street. I think a very lowered street
roadster should be allowed to run the lakes if it meets all the safety
requirments. why does it need fenders. u wouldnt run them on the street. you
can get your car lower without them. u can run different tire combos...u get
the idea. So if i am in it for the creativity, of being able to do what i
want within certain very limited parameters then i should build a
streamliner. The box, for certain classes is there for a reason. if the
envelope cannot be pushed, in order to save old records, or keep all on the
same playing field, then i may choose another game in the future. But like
someone said on the list, we praised SMOKEY YUNICK for his creative
interpretation of the rule book!
I think i was hoping to hear, "yes it is vague, but u need fenders and this
is how it will be interpreted at cert time"." and in the future we will look
into it and may clarify the rules." i think i did finally hear that from the
list.
I would also like to raise the issue of fenders being required on street
roadsters to be re- examined. My car came off the street. i have lites a
license etc, but i dont have any fenders or panels. U know what i am saying.
My car is a street roadster. i dont think u could define it any other way.
i could drive it to the lakes if i wanted to be stuck in the cage for 6
hours!!! ( i should be able to do it i work for 8-10 each day).
Would street roaadsters go faster without them? who knows. but u may venture
a yes ,cause the fenders are a limiting factor when setting things up,(which
i know u are all aware of). Just to be a smart ass....comes easy to me....
we should have E.P.A. ratings on the street cars and classify the cars that
way.Gas guzzlers and econmy roadsters. Then i would have to be able to make
a blown big block chevy get good mileage to get in the economy class.... i
am loosing it here. time for the zip lock... and purple fire suit..keith
where are u when i need you!!!lol.
>From: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>
>To: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>
>CC: "landspeed@autox.team.net" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: Roadster / List rules
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:20:12 -0700
>
>Hey Tim
>Sure hope we didn't rough you up to much on the fender deal. It's been that
>way since the early 70s. I think Dan's note today may have helped you
>understand why. Over the years things change and some get lost. We have a
>new policy and a better way to control things of this nature starting this
>year. It's more work on our part but the computer makes it easier to put
>into some kind of data base.
>
>A lot of the board members present and past still stay involved and try to
>sort out many of the issues that come up like the fenders. I don't think
>any
>of us make statements we can't back up. There are lots of rules to be
>written and re written each year to better clarify them. It's not easy for
>the rules people to always put the words down so everyone gets the same
>meaning.
>
>Keep on building Tim.
>Glen
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>
>To: <kturk@ala.net>; <speedtimer@charter.net>; <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
><land-speed@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:06 PM
>Subject: Re: Roadster / List rules
>
>
> >
> > i agree with you keith. and if i have been rude or offensive i did not
>mean
> > to be so and i am sorry. I am willing to go along with tradition, i know
> > this sport is ripe with it. If there are unwritten traditions that
>affect
> > racers or newbies who are going on a limb to build a car and fulfill a
> > dream, then is it fair to them to be held to the unwritten traditions
>or
> > assumed rules? If it is not defined that i need to have fenders i could
>save
> > myself some time and MONEY not thinking about rear fenders. If i show up
>at
> > the lakes without fenders, i drove 6 hours in my van, that gets
>12mpg,with
> > my trailer and kids, to have fun racing in the dirt, and then to be told
>i
> > could not run cause i dont have fenders that are "required" as per
> > tradition? that is what this is about for me. We all talk about
>fairness,
> > honesty, etc... but when challenged and questioned, there is no logic,
>no
> > proof, no rule... other than that is how it is. I am sorry that is
>difficult
> > for me. That is what rule books are for, to tell us the rules.`There is
>not
> > a book of traditions that will be published sometime soon is there?
> >
> > >From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > >To: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>, "tim cunha"
> > ><tfc1932@hotmail.com>, <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>, <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > >Subject: Roadster / List rules
> > >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:43:13 -0500
> > >
> > >Tim your absolutely correct in the application and use of this list...
>it's
> > >to ask Just exactly that sorta question.... The real key here is in
> > >evaluating the rule and traditions Vs Mandatory requirements....
> > >
> > > Everyone not only has an opinion but most significantly the right to
> > >express it to the group.... I think the most important part of this
>whole
> > >deal is to disagree politely.... Folks sitting behind these computers
>have
> > >feelings just like they would if we were sitting there bench racing....
> > >
> > >Simply stated it's about treating everyone with dignity and respect....
>and
> > >respecting each others opinions...
> > >
> > >Again it's not how you say something or the words you use.... it's the
> > >question that matters....
> > >
> > >Thanks for taking the time to ask the question in the first place....
> > >
> > >Keith
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>
> > >To: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>; <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > ><land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:38 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Street Roadster Rules
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tim
> > > > All of the rule books say that the rear fenders can be bobbed, it
> > >doesn't
> > > > say you can run without them. You have the option to run without the
> > >front
> > > > fenders.
> > > > Glen
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Street Roadster Rules
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > i am not trying to find a loop hole or a problem in the rules. I
>just
> > > > > happend to find one and am puzzled by it. i dont believe that
>because
> > > > > something has been done a certain way that it always has to be
>done
> > >that
> > > > > way. The wording is vague. If the rules do not say they have to be
> > >there,
> > > > i
> > > > > am not going to use them. If the rules said that all street
>roadsters
> > >have
> > > > > to have rear fenders, then that is another story. that is all
>there
>is
> > >to
> > > > > it. I know it may be a bad start for my first time out, but what
>the
> > >heck.
> > > > u
> > > > > cant say that we are a bunch of conformists now can you? I want
>to
>be
> > > > able
> > > > > to question the rules without people getting upset angry or black
> > >balling
> > > > > me. I want a conversation and i challenge the wording in the rule
> > >book.
> > >is
> > > > > that not my right and responsibility as a racer (or wanna be
>racer).
> > >The
> > > > > fact that i question a rule, post it on the web site for
>discussion
> > >will
> > > > not
> > > > > slow the construction of my car. And if not for loopholes or
>reading
> > > > between
> > > > > the lines, making challenges, asking a few questtions (Question
> > > > Authority),
> > > > > where would all of us be? This is not for fighting. i have bigger
> > >things
> > > > to
> > > > > fight. i find it very curious the rationale that people have taken
> > > > regarding
> > > > > a tradition? rule? i have read the rule books for only 3 years now
>and
> > > > have
> > > > > noticed the same wording. Some of u must have a collection of rule
> > >books.
> > > > > look it up and find out where it was deleted. just for the sake
>of
> > > > > argument. and for the sake of an argument that may develop, i
>think
>i
> > >will
> > > > > take it up with the rules committee, or whom ever. Just because...
> > >that
> > >is
> > > > > what we do in america! No disrescpect to all of the seasoned and
> > > > experienced
> > > > > racers, in fact i thank you for all of the feedback and i am glad
>i
> > >raised
> > > > a
> > > > > few hairs. even over something as minor as rear fenders on a
>roadster.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com
> > > > > >Reply-To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com
> > > > > >To: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Street Roadster Rules
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:10:41 EDT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In a message dated 5/29/2001 6:42:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > > >tfc1932@hotmail.com writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > show me where that is defined in the rule book. not last years
>nor
> > > > this
> > > > > > > years is if defined. unless stock panels are fenders. and that
>is
> > >a
> > > > > > > stretch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The time could be better spent building a car as opposed
>to
> > > > looking
> > > > > >for loop holes in the book.....................Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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