Tim, List,
That has always been the position of USFRA as well. Rick Gold has gone the
extra mile to provide fuel on the salt that is reasonably priced and clean.
We would not want to put our relationship in peril because of fuel demands.
I'd suggest you contact Rick at ERC for your special arrangements. His
number is 1-800-445-1479. Shouldn't be a major problem.
Wes Potter Secretary, USFRA
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> From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> To: "Tim Schoeny" <tschoen@fuse.net>
> CC: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:29:36 -0700
>
>Tim ,
>
>Rereading my email proves that sending the first draft is not always my
best
>procedure.
>
>I was trying to say that you would need permission from the board to
provide
>your own fuel. This however, has not been approved in the past. The
rulebook
>clearly states that if a gasoline provider is present the entrants must use
>their gasoline. The reasoning being that we wish to support our vendors and
>we want to have a baseline for all competitors.
>
>I cannot speak for USFRA, but BNI will have a gasoline supplier at the
World
>Finals in Oct. I don't know for sure but, would think that ERC will be our
>provider.
>
>Dan Warner
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tim Schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
>To: Dan Warner <dwarner@brett.cp1.electrorent.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:44 PM
>Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
>
>
>> Dan,I will not be bringing my car to speedweek but may come out in sept
or
>oct
>> for one of those meets.Is gas provided for the other meets? I'm not sure
>what
>> you mean by a "deviation" I'd be happy to bring my own fuel if it
wouldn't
>cause
>> any record certification problems.
>> Tim Schoeny
>>
>> Dan Warner wrote:
>>
>> > No - Tim, you need to a deviation to run your own gas. At this time all
>gas
>> > class entries must run the spec gas. Have you contacted ERC to see if
>they
>> > can provide unleaded?
>> >
>> > Dan Warner
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Tim Schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
>> > To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
>> > Cc: Hyatt Engineering Ltd. <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>;
>> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:39 AM
>> > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
>> >
>> > > While we're on the fuel subject-the SCTA rulebook says you have to
run
>the
>> > gas
>> > > provided at the meet if some is provided.I'd like to run unleaded
>racing
>> > gas
>> > > but I didn't think I saw any at the fuel trailer last year.Can I
bring
>my
>> > own
>> > > without causing a certification problem ?
>> > > Tim Schoeny
>> > >
>> > > Dan Warner wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Nitropropane is not banned from use at SCTA/BNI events. The list of
>> > fuels in
>> > > > the rulebook is there to illustrate SOME types of fuels which can
be
>> > used in
>> > > > place of legal gasoline.
>> > > >
>> > > > Dan (more nitro is better, to a certain point) Warner
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Hyatt Engineering Ltd. <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>
>> > > > To: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
><ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
>> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 6:40 AM
>> > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
>> > > >
>> > > > > John,
>> > > > > Back in the 50s some of the producers of nitro proposed using it
>in
>> > fuel
>> > > > for
>> > > > > on-highway vehicles, and did a lot of research into controlling
>knock
>> > to
>> > > > > make it streatable. They used lab type "detonation detectors",
>high
>> > > > > frequency accelerometers with data acquisition systems, to
>observe
>> > the
>> > > > > knock. The conclusions were that nitromethane should always be
>used
>> > in
>> > > > > blends with nitropropane (usually around 50/50). The nitropropane
>> > helped
>> > > > > enormously in controlling the knock, for reasons that were not
>quite
>> > > > > understood.
>> > > > > While I bring this up primarily to point out that properly
>calibrated
>> > > > > detonation detectors can certainly be useful with nitrous, (I
>suspect
>> > the
>> > > > > commercially available units are just calibrated for more
>conventional
>> > > > > applications, or are sized incorrectly and are "clipping" on the
>high
>> > > > > amplitude content of the spectrum), it prompts a few questions
and
>> > > > > observations of my own:
>> > > > > Why is nitropropane not included in the list of legal fuels ? By
>all
>> > > > > accounts I can find it is much more stable. While it has a lower
>> > oxygen
>> > > > > content than nitromethane and makes less power when run
undiluted,
>> > anyone
>> > > > > running a mix could just use more of it.
>> > > > > Does anyone run undiluted or lightly diluted nitro on the salt ?
>Most
>> > of
>> > > > > the folks I have spoken to run weak mixes, under 25% nitro, but I
>do
>> > not
>> > > > > know how typical this is.
>> > > > > Greg
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
>> > > > > To: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:21 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Doug
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >From what little I know about these things they work great on
>> > street
>> > > > > > cars...are marginal on race cars...and I would guess about
>useless
>> > with
>> > > > > > nitro.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > John Beckett, LSR #79
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > From: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
>> > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:55 PM
>> > > > > > Subject: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Group,
>> > > > > > > Has any body out there used the MSD detonation sensor on
>nitro
>> > > > that
>> > > > > > has a
>> > > > > > > readout in the cockpit for the driver to see. Chuck Salmen
has
>one
>> > on
>> > > > > his
>> > > > > > > $um-Fun gas roadster and he likes it. What I don't know is
how
>> > they
>> > > > > would
>> > > > > > > react to nitro which is on the verge of detonating at all
>times.
>> > > > > > > Anybody had any
>experience?...............................Doug
>> > > > King
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>>
>
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