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Interesting, the comment on Redline. I have used it in my ancient Honda
and the gearbox noises went away.
Mike
On 10/26/25 5:53 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>
> Just to keep the pot boiling�����when I was up at OD Spares talking
> to
> Dave Twigger, I asked him which oil to use in my OD. â??20-50â??, he
> replied very firmly. Over here, UK, OD Spares is somewhat regarded in
> the same light as AH Spares. Daveâ??s father-in-law worked for Laycock
> and, when they stopped manufacturing ODs, he bought all the remaining
> stock and started up on his own. (Or something similarâ?¦..Dave did tell
> me but ages ago). Anyhow, Iâ??d say that Dave and son are our leading OD
> experts. His workshop is surprisingly small and slightly scruffy but
> is stuffed with all the right spares, test beds and spares. Michael, I
> recall you saying the same.
>
> I have to say that I use 30 or 40 non-detergent, which he says is
> fine. After fixing my OD, he put my 30 wt back in perfectly happily.
> He was absolutely against Redline and similar productsâ?¦..
>
> Simon
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter
> *Sent:* 25 October 2025 18:42
> *To:* gradea1@charter.net; Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; Healey
> team <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum
>
> Hank, I have never be able to find any recommendation from Laycock De
> Normanville which recommend any particular oil for one of their
> overdrive units.
>
> I wrote to the company (back in the day when one sent letters through
> the mail, many decades ago) and asked what lubricant they recommended
> and they replied that the lubricant was specified by the gearbox
> manufacturer.
>
> This 30 weight non-detergent thing is nothing more than an "old wives
> tale".
>
> M
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Hank Leach <gradea1@charter.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2025 12:52:20 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com>; Bob Spidell
> <bspidell@comcast.net>; Healey team <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum
>
> The required clearance for the sunwheel is 016-.020" If you swapped
> out the bearing there could be a difference from original. Moss and AH
> Spares sell the various sized steel washers depending on the reading
> you get. Typically, after many miles, that rear bronze washer is
> cracked or worn and should be replaced.
>
> The factory(when there was one) recommended to only use _30W Non
> Detergent_ oil as others tended to foam and cause pressure issues.
> Also to be sure it is properly topped up- #1-key reason to not work.
>
> Before you tear it down, why not just change the oil as recommended
> and see if there is a difference-easiest fix at this point. If not the
> problem then it needs to come out and repair. Hank
>
>
> --------------------
>
> From: "Bob Spidell via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net>
> To: "Michael Salter" <michael.salter@gmail.com>, "Healeys"
> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: October 24, 2025 at 9:38 PM PDT
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum
> Hi Michael,
>
> I rebuilt the gearbox and O/D probably about 7-8 years or so ago. I've
> probably put close to 10K miles on it since, but not too many since I
> moved to the Central Valley. For the last few years it's been mostly
> short and day trips every month or two so, it's been mostly sedentary.
> A few months ago I took it out for a spin and noticed the O/D wouldn't
> engage at first but would start working normally after maybe 20
> minutes of driving. In subsequent runs it's more not engaging, until a
> few days ago I'd decided I would likely have to pull the gearbox and
> O/D, but had to pull it out to get it off the QuickJack underneath it
> and, to my surprise it started to work OK again after 15-20 miles.
>
> I rebuilt the O/D myself, and I think I did OK except I may not have
> gotten the planetary gears depth exactly right; I didn't have a
> selection of thrust washers to try so I just put the existing one back
> in. The only thing I changed out was the thrust ring bearing, which
> might have been a different width. The unit did have a very slight
> vibration, barely noticeable through the floorboards but otherwise
> operated perfectly. Now, when it works, it seems fine. When I rebuilt
> the gearbox the rearmost thrust washer was whacked (see pic), but of
> course I replaced it (how that could happen and why the O/D worked is
> another mystery). I couldn't get the GB and O/D to mate up so I took
> them to BCS where David Nock got them together and set the operating
> shaft lift. Besides trying a new relay at Tom Monaco's suggestion I
> haven't done anything else to it.
>
> Only thing I can guess is maybe the lever that the solenoid lifts to
> turn the valve operating cam maybe slips sometimes and not others.
>
> Bob
>
> On 10/24/2025 8:00 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> That does defy logic Bob.
>
> Can you give a little history, has it always been this way or did
> you change something? Did the problem develop slowly or over time?
>
> Anything else that may be relevant?
>
> M
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 8:41:36 PM
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum
>
> Listers,
>
> I have a problem with my BJ8's overdrive that defies conventional
> logic:
> The O/D will not engage when the drivetrain is cold, but begins to
> function more-or-less normally as the drivetrain gets fully heated-up
> (15-20m on a warm day). I've checked the functioning of the
> electricals;
> i.e. when not running I can a) disconnect the coil ground so as
> not to
> fry the Pertonix Ignitor, b) place the gearbox in 3rd or 4th and c)
> close either, or both, the dash switch and/or the switch on the shift
> knob --they're wired in parallel so either one will engage the
> O/D, but
> both need to be in off/open condition to disengage--and I can hear
> the
> solenoid click firmly (this pretty much rules out the switches). I
> have
> already replaced the scuttle relay to no effect (I have had them get
> flaky). AFAIK, the throttle/'kickdown' switch only comes into play
> when
> disengaging, and seems to work when the O/D does engage.
>
> My thinking is, if the pump is failed or failing the O/D might
> work when
> the fluid is cold but cease to function as the fluid heats up and
> thins
> out (I've used Redline MT-90 successfully for over 100K miles or
> more;
> it's equivalent to 50wt engine oil). But, the O/D not engaging
> when cold
> (somewhat) refutes this theory. If the outlet check valve on the pump
> was somehow boogered I would expect either a) cold function only,
> or b)
> no function at all. Ditto the solenoid; I'd expect it to get
> flakey when
> hot and it does 'click' reliably (when cold). I can imagine the
> lever on
> the operating cam slipping, but wouldn't expect that to vary with
> temperature (or to work at all, actually). Actuating shaft lift was
> correctly set at rebuild. I do have a DWM 'uprated' accumulator
> installed, and the O/D engages within 2 seconds when it functions.
>
> Anyone had this condition, or have a theory as to why it behaves this
> way? Next step would be to remove the console and confirm I have good
> oil pressure (but if I do, then what?).
>
> TIA,
> Bob
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<p><font size="2" face="Tahoma">Interesting, the comment on
Redline. I have used it in my ancient Honda and the gearbox
noises went away.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Tahoma">Mike</font></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/25 5:53 AM, Simon Lachlan via
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just
to keep the pot boiling�����when I was up at OD Spares
talking to Dave Twigger, I asked him which oil to use in my
OD. â??20-50â??, he replied very firmly. Over here, UK, OD
Spares is somewhat regarded in the same light as AH Spares.
Daveâ??s father-in-law worked for Laycock and, when they
stopped manufacturing ODs, he bought all the remaining stock
and started up on his own. (Or something similarâ?¦..Dave did
tell me but ages ago). Anyhow, Iâ??d say that Dave and son are
our leading OD experts. His workshop is surprisingly small
and slightly scruffy but is stuffed with all the right
spares, test beds and spares. Michael, I recall you saying
the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
have to say that I use 30 or 40 non-detergent, which he says
is fine. After fixing my OD, he put my 30 wt back in
perfectly happily. He was absolutely against Redline and
similar productsâ?¦..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2025 18:42<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>gradea1@charter.net</a>; Bob Spidell
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";><bspidell@comcast.net></a>; Healey team
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive
Conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hank, I have never be able to find any
recommendation from Laycock De Normanville which recommend
any particular oil for one of their overdrive units.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I wrote <span
style="color:black;background:white">to the company (</span>back
in the day when one sent letters through the mail, many
decades ago) and asked what lubricant they recommended and
they replied that the lubricant was specified by the gearbox
manufacturer.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This 30 weight non-detergent thing is
nothing more than an "old wives tale".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
Hank Leach <<a href="mailto:gradea1@charter.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gradea1@charter.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 25, 2025 12:52:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter <<a
href="mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michael.salter@gmail.com</a>>;
Bob Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>;
Healey team <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The required clearance for the sunwheel
is 016-.020" If you swapped out the bearing there could be
a difference from original. Moss and AH Spares sell the
various sized steel washers depending on the reading you
get. Typically, after many miles, that rear bronze washer
is cracked or worn and should be replaced.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The factory(when there was one)
recommended to only use <u>30W Non Detergent</u> oil as
others tended to foam and cause pressure issues. Also to
be sure it is properly topped up- #1-key reason to not
work.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Before you tear it down, why not just
change the oil as recommended and see if there is a
difference-easiest fix at this point. If not the problem
then it needs to come out and repair. Hank<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
-------------------- <br>
<br>
From: "Bob Spidell via Healeys" <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
<br>
Reply-To: "Bob Spidell" <<a
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
<br>
To: "Michael Salter" <<a
href="mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michael.salter@gmail.com</a>>,
"Healeys" <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
<br>
Sent: October 24, 2025 at 9:38 PM PDT <br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum <br>
Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
I rebuilt the gearbox and O/D probably about 7-8 years or
so ago. I've probably put close to 10K miles on it since,
but not too many since I moved to the Central Valley. For
the last few years it's been mostly short and day trips
every month or two so, it's been mostly sedentary. A few
months ago I took it out for a spin and noticed the O/D
wouldn't engage at first but would start working normally
after maybe 20 minutes of driving. In subsequent runs it's
more not engaging, until a few days ago I'd decided I
would likely have to pull the gearbox and O/D, but had to
pull it out to get it off the QuickJack underneath it and,
to my surprise it started to work OK again after 15-20
miles.<br>
<br>
I rebuilt the O/D myself, and I think I did OK except I
may not have gotten the planetary gears depth exactly
right; I didn't have a selection of thrust washers to try
so I just put the existing one back in. The only thing I
changed out was the thrust ring bearing, which might have
been a different width. The unit did have a very slight
vibration, barely noticeable through the floorboards but
otherwise operated perfectly. Now, when it works, it seems
fine. When I rebuilt the gearbox the rearmost thrust
washer was whacked (see pic), but of course I replaced it
(how that could happen and why the O/D worked is another
mystery). I couldn't get the GB and O/D to mate up so I
took them to BCS where David Nock got them together and
set the operating shaft lift. Besides trying a new relay
at Tom Monaco's suggestion I haven't done anything else to
it.<br>
<br>
Only thing I can guess is maybe the lever that the
solenoid lifts to turn the valve operating cam maybe slips
sometimes and not others.<br>
<br>
Bob<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/24/2025 8:00 PM, Michael Salter
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">That does defy logic Bob.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can you give a little history, has it
always been this way or did you change something? Did
the problem develop slowly or over time?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anything else that may be
relevant?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">M<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
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<hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">From:</span></strong>
Healeys <a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
on behalf of Bob Spidell via Healeys <a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong>
Friday, October 24, 2025 8:41:36 PM<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">To:</span></strong>
Healeys <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong>
[Healeys] Overdrive Conundrum <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Listers,<br>
<br>
I have a problem with my BJ8's overdrive that defies
conventional logic: <br>
The O/D will not engage when the drivetrain is cold,
but begins to <br>
function more-or-less normally as the drivetrain gets
fully heated-up <br>
(15-20m on a warm day). I've checked the functioning
of the electricals; <br>
i.e. when not running I can a) disconnect the coil
ground so as not to <br>
fry the Pertonix Ignitor, b) place the gearbox in 3rd
or 4th and c) <br>
close either, or both, the dash switch and/or the
switch on the shift <br>
knob --they're wired in parallel so either one will
engage the O/D, but <br>
both need to be in off/open condition to
disengage--and I can hear the <br>
solenoid click firmly (this pretty much rules out the
switches). I have <br>
already replaced the scuttle relay to no effect (I
have had them get <br>
flaky). AFAIK, the throttle/'kickdown' switch only
comes into play when <br>
disengaging, and seems to work when the O/D does
engage.<br>
<br>
My thinking is, if the pump is failed or failing the
O/D might work when <br>
the fluid is cold but cease to function as the fluid
heats up and thins <br>
out (I've used Redline MT-90 successfully for over
100K miles or more; <br>
it's equivalent to 50wt engine oil). But, the O/D not
engaging when cold <br>
(somewhat) refutes this theory. If the outlet check
valve on the pump <br>
was somehow boogered I would expect either a) cold
function only, or b) <br>
no function at all. Ditto the solenoid; I'd expect it
to get flakey when <br>
hot and it does 'click' reliably (when cold). I can
imagine the lever on <br>
the operating cam slipping, but wouldn't expect that
to vary with <br>
temperature (or to work at all, actually). Actuating
shaft lift was <br>
correctly set at rebuild. I do have a DWM 'uprated'
accumulator <br>
installed, and the O/D engages within 2 seconds when
it functions.<br>
<br>
Anyone had this condition, or have a theory as to why
it behaves this <br>
way? Next step would be to remove the console and
confirm I have good <br>
oil pressure (but if I do, then what?).<br>
<br>
TIA,<br>
Bob<br>
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