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If you choose performance over originality/authenticity, why go half-way?
https://browncarguy.com/2023/05/08/classic-austin-healey-3000-100-6-converted-to-electric/
On 2/10/2024 11:38 AM, HealeyRick wrote:
> Now, you've gone too far, Bob. An electric Healey? Bleah! As you
> say, to each their own. There's plenty of room in the Healey tent for
> concours, modified, big Healeys, little Healeys, Nash Healeys, Healey
> boats, etc. Can't we all just get along? ð???
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 1:22â?¯PM Bob Spidell via Healeys
> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> The most rational, pragmatic swap at this point would be to an
> electric motor and batteries; done right, it would blow the doors
> off an LS or Coyote swap (up to a 100MPH or so, I wouldn't push a
> Healey chassis much past that, for long anyway-BTDT). How many
> owners do more than day trips anyway (my days of 5K mile trips
> are, unfortunately, in the past).
>
> I wanted a big V8-powered car with all the modern improvements, so
> I bought a Mustang GT and left my Healeys as Austins (Jensens)
> un-mutated, and without the 20-50% drop in market value* (my
> survivors will have to sell my Healeys someday). 475HP--480 if I
> could get 93-octane--disks all around (Brembos in front), electric
> throttle and steering (several modes), 19x9/10 wheels with
> Michelin Pilot Sport 4ses, IRS, MagneRide and Steeda suspension
> upgrades (the IRS is a bit shaky); 0-60 under 5s (supposedly; I'm
> not good enough and the A10s are quicker). Bigger and heavier; I
> reckon a Nasty Boy would take me on a narrow twisty, but on the
> sweepers and straights it's sayonara. The Mustang hauls ass, and
> it's fun, but the Austin-Healeys are simply more satisfying to
> drive--by far--warts and all.
>
> Disclaimer: I am very much an "It's your car, do what you want
> with it" person. I've made small mods to my cars: Pertonix
> Ignitors in both; taller rear-end for highway driveability, Texas
> Cooler with shroud in the BJ8 but I never have, and never will,
> understand why people buy a car they don't actually want just to
> change it (owners with broken/missing engines who think 'Why not?'
> I can see). Why not buy a Saxon and build it up the way you want
> it from scratch? Oh, and for the record, I don't much care for
> breast implants either; just not the same.
>
> * Just my observations from BaT, FB, mailing lists, etc.; I've yet
> to see a Nasty Boy cross the block at B-J or Mecums--doen't mean
> it hasn't happened--but the muscle car 'restomods' with SBCs,
> LSes, etc. are a dime-a-dozen and, IMO, not particularly unique or
> imaginative (they do have garish paint jobs though).
>
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2024 10:25 PM, Chris Scholz via Healeys wrote:
>> I love my LS1 swap. It was a lot of work. Aluminum dual passage
>> Wizard radiator with 15â?? spal fan-I can drive in a parade at 110
>> heat index and car stays right at 195 degrees. Lots of work to
>> get the alternator to fit-I modified a bracket from a Jeep
>> wrangler LS swap kit. Â Everything barely fit
>> longitudinally-there is one inch between the electric radiator
>> fan and my water pump. Â Had to cut the steering shaft and u
>> joint. Works great.
>> Like Rick, I have the stock 3.55 Healey rear with a quaife
>> limited slip diff and it works perfectly. Â 72â?? Daytona wire
>> wheels with 205 wide tires. Â Lowered the front spring perches
>> -my front was so much lighter it was up in the air by 2-3â??. It
>> rides and handles so well. My car was a 1959 100-6 so it wasnâ??t
>> worth as much stock as a BJ8. I feel my value went up.
>> I love my reliability and the torque is amazing. Car is so much
>> fun to slowly cruise and then hit the gas and go. I would never
>> go back to the heavy iron block. I feel this an aluminum V8
>> would have been Healeyâ??s first choice if GM would have worked
>> with him.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Chris Scholz OD
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 7:58â?¯PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> 
>>> A V8 swap is nothing to be undertaken lightly. It's not as
>>> simple as "dropping in a V8". That's the easy part, mostly
>>> focusing on making engine and transmission mounts and cutting
>>> away pieces of the footwells so the motor will fit with the
>>> exhaust headers in place. It's all the other stuff you need to
>>> do that will really add the work. New electrical system,
>>> radiator, upgraded brakes, fuel system, transmission shifter,
>>> etc, etc. It's worth it in the end if you want a Healey/Cobra,
>>> but you'll also knock off about 30 percent of your car's value
>>> or more. You can see the work I had to do to put a Ford 5.0L
>>> and 5 speed transmission into my BJ7 here:
>>> http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,8264 The Ford 5.0 is
>>> narrower than the Chevy LS so less body cutting to do, but not a
>>> huge difference. LS motors are more likely to be found in a
>>> junkyard with low mileage now and with your brother a GM
>>> mechanic, would be very helpful. I did about 50-75% of the swap
>>> myself, except for the engine rebuild and body fabrication. My
>>> car has 350 hp and I run the stock rear end with 3.55 gears and
>>> Dayton 72 spoke wires. Much more power than that and those
>>> parts will start braking. A good engine swap is really a joy,
>>> but if you do a bad one it will be a nightmare forever. Chris
>>> did a really nice swap with his LS but he can speak to how much
>>> work it was.
>>>
>>> My first choice if you don't have that "Need for Speed" would be
>>> to try a replacement Healey 6.
>>>
>>> Best of Luck,
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 2:11â?¯PM <rfbegani@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Funny you should suggest a v8 replacement. Chris just made
>>> that suggestion to install an LS1 with GM Trans. My Bother
>>> is a retired GM mechanic, and he agrees. Did you do the
>>> exchange? What engine trans etc. did you use? All options
>>> are on the table.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> *From:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2024 1:32 PM
>>> *To:* rfbegani@gmail.com
>>> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BJ8 1967 Engine Rebuild failure
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear this Bob. What you've been told so far seems
>>> correct. Without the main bearing caps you're in a tough
>>> spot. Maybe trying to find a BJ8 block or a rebuildable BJ8
>>> motor is the best of a bad group of choices. Too bad, I
>>> gave away a bare block with caps from a BJ7 a few years ago
>>> for a donation to our club charity. I'd put a wanted ad in
>>> the club magazines and Healey forums, Facebook pages and
>>> hope someone out there might have one. Try Hemphills, Healey
>>> Surgeons, David Nock, maybe they have one that needs
>>> rebuilding somewhere. Or do what I did and put a V8 in there!
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:12â?¯AM <rfbegani@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gentlemen:
>>>
>>> I arrived back to Florida in May and decide to drive my
>>> 67 Austin-Healey. Drove it a mile and heard clanking
>>> engine, looked at the oil pressure, It was O! Instead of
>>> stooping to have towed home, I drove it back slowly.Â
>>> Last month, I dropped the pan and started to remove the
>>> rod and crank caps and bearings. My mechanic friend
>>> said you got lucky the crank may only need polishing and
>>> new bearings. So, I packed and marked each of the main
>>> bearing caps, bolts, and bearings along with piston rods
>>> and caps in individual plastic bags. Then packed them
>>> into a larger plastic bag which was put under the
>>> workbench near the garbage. We towed the car to Mikes
>>> garage so he could pull and disassemble the engine.
>>> Tuesday, he asked me to bring the parts I had removed
>>> from the engine so he would have everything in one
>>> place. I looked around but could not find this black
>>> plastic bag and then remembered it got pitched in the
>>> garbage. So, I am now up the famous creek and am asking
>>> this group what I can do?
>>>
>>> 1. I am told the engine is finished because the Main
>>> Bearing caps are not available and even if you could
>>> find them, they would need to be line bored on the
>>> engine.
>>> 2. I am told that finding an engine block for a 3000
>>> with original main bearing caps is almost impossible.
>>> 3. Finding an engine to be rebuild might be possible.
>>>
>>> My engine was rebuilt 6000 miles with years ago
>>> everything new, so I would like to find a way of fixing
>>> the existing engine, if possible.
>>>
>>> Please give me your advice.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Bob Begani
>>>
>>> 67 Austin-Healey BJ8
>>>
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If you choose performance over originality/authenticity, why go
half-way?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/10/2024 11:38 AM, HealeyRick
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAGfzsZeTb36PwQEGenLB_GiqHvG1ppPFG-rX65xXnq+SK-oLmg@mail.gmail.com">
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<div dir="ltr">Now, you've gone too far, Bob. An electric Healey?
Bleah! As you say, to each their own. There's plenty of room in
the Healey tent for concours, modified, big Healeys, little
Healeys, Nash Healeys, Healey boats, etc. Can't we all just get
along? ð???
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Rick</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at
1:22â?¯PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> The most rational, pragmatic swap at this point would be
to an electric motor and batteries; done right, it would
blow the doors off an LS or Coyote swap (up to a 100MPH or
so, I wouldn't push a Healey chassis much past that, for
long anyway-BTDT). How many owners do more than day trips
anyway (my days of 5K mile trips are, unfortunately, in the
past). <br>
<br>
I wanted a big V8-powered car with all the modern
improvements, so I bought a Mustang GT and left my Healeys
as Austins (Jensens) un-mutated, and without the 20-50% drop
in market value* (my survivors will have to sell my Healeys
someday). 475HP--480 if I could get 93-octane--disks all
around (Brembos in front), electric throttle and steering
(several modes), 19x9/10 wheels with Michelin Pilot Sport
4ses, IRS, MagneRide and Steeda suspension upgrades (the IRS
is a bit shaky); 0-60 under 5s (supposedly; I'm not good
enough and the A10s are quicker). Bigger and heavier; I
reckon a Nasty Boy would take me on a narrow twisty, but on
the sweepers and straights it's sayonara. The Mustang hauls
ass, and it's fun, but the Austin-Healeys are simply more
satisfying to drive--by far--warts and all.<br>
<br>
Disclaimer: I am very much an "It's your car, do what you
want with it" person. I've made small mods to my cars:
Pertonix Ignitors in both; taller rear-end for highway
driveability, Texas Cooler with shroud in the BJ8 but I
never have, and never will, understand why people buy a car
they don't actually want just to change it (owners with
broken/missing engines who think 'Why not?' I can see). Why
not buy a Saxon and build it up the way you want it from
scratch? Oh, and for the record, I don't much care for
breast implants either; just not the same.<br>
<br>
* Just my observations from BaT, FB, mailing lists, etc.;
I've yet to see a Nasty Boy cross the block at B-J or
Mecums--doen't mean it hasn't happened--but the muscle car
'restomods' with SBCs, LSes, etc. are a dime-a-dozen and,
IMO, not particularly unique or imaginative (they do have
garish paint jobs though).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 2/9/2024 10:25 PM, Chris Scholz via Healeys wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> I love my LS1 swap. It was a lot
of work. Aluminum dual passage Wizard radiator with 15â??
spal fan-I can drive in a parade at 110 heat index and car
stays right at 195 degrees. Lots of work to get the
alternator to fit-I modified a bracket from a Jeep
wrangler LS swap kit. Â Everything barely fit
longitudinally-there is one inch between the electric
radiator fan and my water pump. Â Had to cut the steering
shaft and u joint. Works great. Â
<div>Like Rick, I have the stock 3.55 Healey rear with a
quaife limited slip diff and it works perfectly. Â 72â??
Daytona wire wheels with 205 wide tires. Â Lowered the
front spring perches -my front was so much lighter it
was up in the air by 2-3â??. It rides and handles so
well. My car was a 1959 100-6 so it wasnâ??t worth as
much stock as a BJ8. I feel my value went up.   </div>
<div>I love my reliability and the torque is amazing. Car
is so much fun to slowly cruise and then hit the gas and
go. I would never go back to the heavy iron block. I
feel this an aluminum V8 would have been Healeyâ??s first
choice if GM would have worked with him. Â </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone
<div>Chris Scholz OD</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 9, 2024, at 7:58â?¯PM,
HealeyRick <a href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><healeyrik@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">A V8 swap is nothing to be undertaken
lightly. It's not as simple as "dropping in a V8".
That's the easy part, mostly focusing on making
engine and transmission mounts and cutting away
pieces of the footwells so the motor will fit with
the exhaust headers in place. It's all the other
stuff you need to do that will really add the
work. New electrical system, radiator, upgraded
brakes, fuel system, transmission shifter, etc,
etc. It's worth it in the end if you want a
Healey/Cobra, but you'll also knock off about 30
percent of your car's value or more. You can see
the work I had to do to put a Ford 5.0L and 5
speed transmission into my BJ7 here:Â <a
href="http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,8264"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,8264</a>Â
The Ford 5.0 is narrower than the Chevy LS so less
body cutting to do, but not a huge difference. LS
motors are more likely to be found in a junkyard
with low mileage now and with your brother a GM
mechanic, would be very helpful. I did about
50-75% of the swap myself, except for the engine
rebuild and body fabrication. My car has 350 hp
and I run the stock rear end with 3.55 gears and
Dayton 72 spoke wires. Much more power than that
and those parts will start braking. A good engine
swap is really a joy, but if you do a bad one it
will be a nightmare forever. Chris did a really
nice swap with his LS but he can speak to how much
work it was.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My first choice if you don't have that "Need
for Speed" would be to try a replacement Healey
6.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best of Luck,</div>
<div>Rick</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 9,
2024 at 2:11â?¯PM <<a
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Funny you should
suggest a v8 replacement. Chris just
made that suggestion to install an LS1
with GM Trans. My Bother is a retired
GM mechanic, and he agrees. Did you
do the exchange? What engine trans
etc. did you use? All options are on
the table.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Bob</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<div
style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt
solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
HealeyRick <<a
href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 9, 2024
1:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rfbegani@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 1967
Engine Rebuild failure</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry to hear this
Bob. What you've been told so far
seems correct. Without the main
bearing caps you're in a tough spot.Â
Maybe trying to find a BJ8 block or a
rebuildable BJ8 motor is the best of a
bad group of choices. Too bad, I gave
away a bare block with caps from a BJ7
a few years ago for a donation to our
club charity. I'd put a wanted ad in
the club magazines and Healey forums,
Facebook pages and hope someone out
there might have one. Try Hemphills,
Healey Surgeons, David Nock, maybe
they have one that needs rebuilding
somewhere. Or do what I did and put a
V8 in there!</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best of luck,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rick Neville aka
"HealeyRick"</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Â </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 9,
2024 at 11:12â?¯AM <<a
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Gentlemen:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I arrived back to
Florida in May and decide to
drive my 67 Austin-Healey.Â
Drove it a mile and heard
clanking engine, looked at
the oil pressure, It was O!
Instead of stooping to have
towed home, I drove it back
slowly. Last month, I
dropped the pan and started
to remove the rod and crank
caps and bearings. My
mechanic friend said you got
lucky the crank may only
need polishing and new
bearings. So, I packed and
marked each of the main
bearing caps, bolts, and
bearings along with piston
rods and caps in individual
plastic bags. Then packed
them into a larger plastic
bag which was put under the
workbench near the garbage.Â
We towed the car to Mikes
garage so he could pull and
disassemble the engine.Â
Tuesday, he asked me to
bring the parts I had
removed from the engine so
he would have everything in
one place. I looked around
but could not find this
black plastic bag and then
remembered it got pitched in
the garbage. So, I am now up
the famous creek and am
asking this group what I can
do?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I am told the engine
is finished because the
Main Bearing caps are not
available and even if you
could find them, they
would need to be line
bored on the engine.</span></li>
<li><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I am told that
finding an engine block
for a 3000 with original
main bearing caps is
almost impossible.</span></li>
<li><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Finding an engine to
be rebuild might be
possible.</span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">My engine was
rebuilt 6000 miles with
years ago everything new, so
I would like to find a way
of fixing the existing
engine, if possible.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Please give me your
advice.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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