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Josef, that is heartless and uncalled for. I was going to stay silent =
on your first post, but your reply to Jim is beyond the pale and I feel =
for me not to comment would be disrespectful to his family and friends. =
I expect it may illicit another unwanted reply, but I can=E2=80=99t let =
this go by without expressing my disgust at your attitude.
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I doubt you have the details of the incident and your opinion is based =
on what the press chose to publish. I also doubt you know the victim =
and are ignorant regarding his competence to drive. Your lack of =
compassion for their family and friends is based on uniformed =
speculation and is simply inhuman. I am certain does not reflect the =
compassion of the Healey community.
=20
Your rant is not about Healeys per se, so please don=E2=80=99t burden =
the list with it.
=20
Mirek
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of =
josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: October 6, 2022 3:33 PM
To: Jim Ryan <ryan@jimryan.com>
Cc: Forum Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
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Yes, please forward my comment to his family.=20
This person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for =
other people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even =
pedestrians, which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live =
and be not hurt by such a person.
Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.
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Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that to his family just =
so they know how you feel about him. When exactly is it you think we =
should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get =
your advice on what age I'm endangering other people.=20
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That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this =
list.
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys =
To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years =
old fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no =
other person was invoved and injured.=20
Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees =
or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it.=20
For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure =
ra=C4=BAlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to =
come from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly =
elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money, =
even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car.=20
One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more =
capable to drive.=20
I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.
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Josef Eckert
konigswinter/GERMANY
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Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200=20
Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com =
An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com =
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Michael--=20
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Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks. =20
I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, =
somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front =
yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared =
the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and =
took off without much conversation.=20
=20
Best--Michael Oritt=20
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys =
"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches."=20
Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on =
the Targa there.=20
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M=20
On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, =
Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but =
they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open drainage =
ditches.=20
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys =
I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if =
this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association =
members are on in Europe at this moment.=20
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Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM=20
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Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100=20
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Awful. =20
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lly-austin-healey/=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Josef, that is heartless and =
uncalled for. =C2=A0I was going to stay silent on your first post, but =
your reply to Jim is beyond the pale and I feel for me not to comment =
would be disrespectful to his family and friends.=C2=A0 I expect it may =
illicit another unwanted reply, but I can=E2=80=99t let this go by =
without expressing my disgust at your attitude.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I doubt you =
have the details of the incident and your opinion is based on what the =
press chose to publish.=C2=A0 I also doubt you know the victim and are =
ignorant regarding his competence to drive.=C2=A0 Your lack of =
compassion for their family and friends is based on uniformed =
speculation and is simply inhuman.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am certain does not =
reflect the compassion of the Healey community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Your rant =
is not about Healeys per se, so please don=E2=80=99t burden the list =
with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>josef-eckert--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> October 6, 2022 3:33 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Ryan <ryan@jimryan.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Forum =
Healey <healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey =
100<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes=
, please forward my comment to his family. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thi=
s person hasn=C2=B4t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other =
people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, =
which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not =
hurt by such a person.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sor=
ry, no mercy at all from my side.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed =
in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'>Datum: =
2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'>Von: =
"Jim Ryan" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ryan@jimryan.com";>ryan@jimryan.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><=
p style=3D'margin:0cm'>An: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>&quo=
t; <<a =
href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>>=
<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward =
that to his family just so they know how you feel about him. When =
exactly is it you think we should all stop driving? Is it =
75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get your advice on what age =
I'm endangering other people. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That was easily the most insensitive posting I =
have ever seen on this list.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'color:black'>To be honest, I =
have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years old fart who =
brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no other person =
was invoved and injured. <br><br>Its very common all over in central =
Europe to have these ditches, trees or even walls along country roads. =
That is how we love it. <br><br>For big money you can book in to take =
part in one of these leasure ra=C4=BAlys, where you get all accomodation =
organised, only you have to come from a to b along. these rallys are =
mainly booked from those mainly elderly people who do not know what to =
do otherwise with their money, even they are completely overextended by =
driving an old classic car. <br><br>One should be wise enough to give up =
driving, when you are no more capable to drive. <br><br>I am only sorry =
about the wrecked Austin-Healey.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Josef Eckert</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>konigswinter/GERMANY<br><br><br> =
<br><br> <br><br> <br><br>-----Original-Nachricht----- =
<br><br>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 =
<br><br>Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200 <br><br>Von: "Michael =
Oritt" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> =
<br><br>An: "Michael Salter" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Michael-- =
<br><br> <br><br>Most of them weren't "open" =
ditches--they were filled with rocks. <br><br>I fondly =
recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, somehow =
hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front =
yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we =
cleared the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car =
and took off without much conversation. <br><br> =
<br><br>Best--Michael Oritt <br><br><br>On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM =
Michael Salter via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <br><br>"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage =
ditches." <br><br>Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major =
factor in giving up on the Targa there. <br><br> <br><br>M =
<br><br>On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <br><br>Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful =
countryside, but they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by =
open drainage ditches. <br><br><br>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, =
Richard Kahn via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <br><br>I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was =
wondering if this is the drive a number of the Southern California =
Healey Association members are on in Europe at this moment. =
<br><br> <br><br>From: Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> on behalf of Randy Hicks via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM <br>To: Healey List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 =
<br><br> <br><br>Awful. <br><br> <br><br><a =
href=3D"https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-=
crash-rally-austin-healey/">https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-=
expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/</a> <br><br> =
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