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Roger;
=20
Please send me info on the electric pump and pictures on the =
installation. Sounds as if it could be a good way to keep the down. I =
am ready to try any good idea.
=20
I already have a checked everything in the coolant system including the =
original type stat with a sleeve. In fact, I have several that I bought =
from Kees to try different temperatures.
=20
Mike indicates that the pump with not handle higher pressures over 7 psi =
so I have eliminated that idea.
=20
Thanks, everyone for your ideas.
=20
Bob Begani
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Roger Grace =
via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:25 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overheating
=20
I concur that at low RPM the flow rate is significantly reduced - as it =
should be with this type of pump - flow is proportional to speed. On my =
BJ8 I measure oil temp and top rad. hose temp plus some other temps. =
Single gauge with switches
So, I added an electric water pump (EWP) that I manually switch on when =
approaching traffic. I use the same switch to switch on an electric fan. =
My experience is that the EWP is by far better than just an electric fan =
- you need to move the water through the rad. Very noticeable to prevent =
heat soak too when you shut down the engine and you can see the temp =
dropping.
The EWP goes in the bottom hose and is quite inconspicuous. Took about 3 =
hrs to install. In series with the mechanical pump and literature says =
little resistance when off eg when cruising and RPM higher and EWP not =
required.
Can post photo if anyone is interested plus pump details.
rg
=20
=20
On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 4:59 PM Bob Spidell via Healeys =
Anyone tried a smaller diameter pulley on the pump?
On 3/6/2021 4:49 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
Using an original type stat helps too ie the one with a sleeve. Helps, =
not cures all.
Simon
=20
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of warthodson--- via Healeys
Sent: 06 March 2021 23:41
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overheating
=20
It seems to me that switching from a 7 PSI radiator cap to a 15PSI cap =
is not a solution to an overheating problem but rather a band-aid. =20
Gary Hodson
-----Original Message-----
To: 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail.com =
Sent: Sat, Mar 6, 2021 3:58 pm
Subject: [Healeys] Overheating
Bob & Mike:
=20
You both may have seen my requests on overheating of my BJ8 and the =
response from the group. As a result, I purchased an infrared =
thermometer to determine if my water gauge was giving accurate readings. =
The thermometer gun told me that my water gauge was 30 degrees higher =
than the temperature of the sensor attached to the block. At the same =
time, I noticed my gauge will show 120 degrees at rest instead of going =
down to 90 degrees which would indicate a 30-degree high reading. In =
May when I leave for cool Michigan, I will send the gauge to Nisonger to =
be rebuilt.
=20
I began to test the temperature of the water going through the cooling =
system at the inlet to and outlet from the block, inlet and outlet to =
the radiator and the upper and lower hoses while the engine is running =
at idle and at 2-3 Thousand rpm. The chart I created to record these =
temperatures allowed me to produce observations or averages because the =
flow of the water is dependent upon the rpms of the engine. The engine =
has overheated all of the 40 years I have owned it and has only 1000 =
miles on the new speedo since rebuilding to 20 over.=20
=20
At the radiator inlet 134 outlet 85 at high rpms with electric fan =
operating.
inlet 103 outlet 94 at idle rpms with electric =
fan operating.=20
=20
The above temperatures are recorded at the inlet and all along the =
hoses.
=20
These temperatures indicate the pump is circulating water with =
sufficient gallons to cool the engine only when the engine is at high =
rpms. At idle the pump does not circulate sufficient water to keep the =
engine cool. This is especially true when you have been operating the =
engine at high speed and come down to 30 =E2=80=93 40 mph and stop and =
go traffic. Maybe the real answer is to install an electric pump for =
constant cooling water?
=20
In the past week, I have installed a large Dorman coolant recovery tank =
and a new 7 psi 1 inch radiator cap because I learned that our radiators =
have a long neck. Both those changes have reduced my problem of very =
high overheating and resulting boiling over. In addition, when my water =
gauge shows 212 degrees the water temperature is actually 30 degrees =
less or approximately 185 degrees. Also, I am not boiling over and =
loosing coolant. Nevertheless, the engine water temperature is still =
spiking to 210 plus degrees true when coming off highway speeds. =20
=20
In my review of various sites, the radiator equipment suppliers and =
others are recommending increasing the pressure in the classic car =
systems to 15 psi plus, and coolant recovery tanks =E2=80=9Cif your =
coolant system, radiator, hoses etc. is new=E2=80=9D and therefore can =
hold the pressure. Unfortunately, I have not found any maker of a 1 =
inch depth x 2.33 inch diameter radiator cap except our 7 psi cap so I =
can try such a pressurized system.
=20
Another suggestion on an older discussion at the British Car Forum =
indicated some of the Ontario car owners had switched to Evans Waterless =
Coolant rather than 50/50 coolant water mixture.
=20
I still have no idea why a minority of our group has overheating =
problems. More ideas?
=20
Regards,
=20
Bob Begani 67 BJ8=20
=20
=20
=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Roger;<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Please send me =
info on the electric pump and pictures on the installation.=C2=A0 Sounds =
as if it could be a good way to keep the down.=C2=A0 I am ready to try =
any good idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I already have =
a checked everything in the coolant system including the original type =
stat with a sleeve.=C2=A0 In fact, I have several that I bought from =
Kees to try different temperatures.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Mike indicates =
that the pump with not handle higher pressures over 7 psi so I have =
eliminated that idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks, =
everyone for your ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob =
Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger =
Grace via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:25 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> =
Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Overheating<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I concur that at low RPM the flow rate is =
significantly reduced - as it should be with this type of pump - flow is =
proportional to speed. On my BJ8 I measure oil temp and top rad. =
hose temp plus some other temps. Single gauge with =
switches<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>So, I added an =
electric water pump (EWP) that I manually switch on when approaching =
traffic. I use the same switch to switch on an electric fan. My =
experience is that the EWP is by far better than just an electric fan - =
you need to move the water through the rad. Very noticeable to prevent =
heat soak too when you shut down the engine and you can see the temp =
dropping.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The EWP goes in =
the bottom hose and is quite inconspicuous. Took about 3 hrs to install. =
In series with the mechanical pump and literature says little resistance =
when off eg when cruising and RPM higher and EWP not =
required.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Can post photo =
if anyone is interested plus pump details.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"m_6637601715642283581gmail-m_3013810619985836242DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-=
A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 4:59 PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Anyone tried a smaller diameter pulley on =
the pump?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 3/6/2021 =
4:49 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Using an =
original type stat helps too ie the one with a sleeve. Helps, not cures =
all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Simon<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor =
currentcolor'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>warthodson--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 March 2021 =
23:41<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Overheating<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It seems to me =
that switching from a 7 PSI radiator cap to a 15PSI cap is not a =
solution to an overheating problem but rather a band-aid. =
<br>Gary Hodson<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gmail.com</a><br>To: 'Michael Salter' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>; 'Bob Spidell' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>; 'Ahealey help' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sat, Mar 6, =
2021 3:58 pm<br>Subject: [Healeys] Overheating</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_6637601715642283581gmail-m_-7502016643660102116yiv772879188=
7"><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bob=
& Mike:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>You=
both may have seen my requests on overheating of my BJ8 and the =
response from the group. As a result, I purchased an infrared =
thermometer to determine if my water gauge was giving accurate =
readings. The thermometer gun told me that my water gauge was 30 =
degrees higher than the temperature of the sensor attached to the =
block. At the same time, I noticed my gauge will show 120 degrees =
at rest instead of going down to 90 degrees which would indicate a =
30-degree high reading. In May when I leave for cool Michigan, I =
will send the gauge to Nisonger to be =
rebuilt.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
began to test the temperature of the water going through the cooling =
system at the inlet to and outlet from the block, inlet and outlet to =
the radiator and the upper and lower hoses while the engine is running =
at idle and at 2-3 Thousand rpm. The chart I created to record =
these temperatures allowed me to produce observations or averages =
because the flow of the water is dependent upon the rpms of the =
engine. The engine has overheated all of the 40 years I have owned =
it and has only 1000 miles on the new speedo since rebuilding to 20 =
over. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>At =
the radiator inlet 134 outlet 85 at high rpms with electric fan =
operating.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; inlet 103 =
outlet 94 at idle rpms with electric fan operating. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
above temperatures are recorded at the inlet and all along the =
hoses.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
se temperatures indicate the pump is circulating water with sufficient =
gallons to cool the engine only when the engine is at high rpms. =
At idle the pump does not circulate sufficient water to keep the engine =
cool. This is especially true when you have been operating the =
engine at high speed and come down to 30 =E2=80=93 40 mph and stop and =
go traffic. Maybe the real answer is to install an electric pump =
for constant cooling water?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In =
the past week, I have installed a large Dorman coolant recovery tank and =
a new 7 psi 1 inch radiator cap because I learned that our radiators =
have a long neck. Both those changes have reduced my problem of =
very high overheating and resulting boiling over. In addition, =
when my water gauge shows 212 degrees the water temperature is actually =
30 degrees less or approximately 185 degrees. Also, I am not =
boiling over and loosing coolant. Nevertheless, the engine water =
temperature is still spiking to 210 plus degrees true when coming off =
highway speeds. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In =
my review of various sites, the radiator equipment suppliers and others =
are recommending increasing the pressure in the classic car systems to =
15 psi plus, and coolant recovery tanks =E2=80=9Cif your coolant system, =
radiator, hoses etc. is new=E2=80=9D and therefore can hold the =
pressure. Unfortunately, I have not found any maker of a 1 inch =
depth x 2.33 inch diameter radiator cap except our 7 psi cap so I can =
try such a pressurized system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ano=
ther suggestion on an older discussion at the British Car Forum =
indicated some of the Ontario car owners had switched to Evans Waterless =
Coolant rather than 50/50 coolant water =
mixture.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
still have no idea why a minority of our group has overheating =
problems. More ideas?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bob=
Begani 67 BJ8 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
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