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Re: [Fot] Southwick Conversion axle float

To: Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Southwick Conversion axle float
From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:33:12 -0500
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Erik;<div>Yes, I noticed that as well. I ke=
pt the Southwick orientation as it gave me a bit more room for some other re=
ar suspension mods. I don=E2=80=99t think it matters much. I have a solid ax=
le 4A and the space around the bearing housing is pretty crowded. Not so muc=
h with the 3 and 4 solid axles.</div><div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent f=
rom my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 18,=
 2023, at 1:21 PM, Erik Jacobsen &lt;kekjacobsen@yahoo.com&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Phil &amp; Henry,</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mine ended up flush, so that there was no s=
lop between the bearing and backing plate. I did notice that Southwick had d=
rilled the backing plates such that they were no longer indexed the same rad=
ially as stock. I don't know that it's a major issue, but it was odd. I was a=
ble to re-drill two holes on each one and get them close to the original pos=
ition...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jake</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 09:51:22=E2=80=AFAM CS=
T, Phil Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp5793c7c9yiv0754878201"><div><div style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:black;"><div i=
d=3D"ydp5793c7c9yiv0754878201"><div><div><div style=3D"color:black;font-fami=
ly:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;">Henry;</span></div><div style=3D"color:black;font-family:arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"color=
:black;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;">Before you tear your axles out, check to make sure that=
 the bearing housing has been bored too deep. &nbsp;Mine were. &nbsp;Some gu=
ys have reported that their axle housing bores are the proper depth and that=
 the bearing sits flush with the brake-side surface of the backing plate, yi=
elding no end float.</span></div><div style=3D"color:black;font-family:arial=
, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=
=3D"color:black;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12pt;">Also,&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:arial, h=
elvetica, clean, sans-serif;">I found out that the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shape=
 retainers from Southwick are a universal fit for =E2=80=9CLarge=E2=80=9D an=
d =E2=80=9C Small=E2=80=9D Ford rear ends.&nbsp; That is why the holes are e=
longated. Southwick uses the =E2=80=9CSmall=E2=80=9D Ford bolt pattern, and t=
he Small retainer that fits it overlaps with the bearing a lot. I ordered so=
me Small retainers from the Bronco Graveyard in SE Michigan. Easier than mak=
ing my own.</span></span></div><div style=3D"color:black;"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif" style=3D"b=
ackground-color: inherit;"><br clear=3D"none"></font></span></div><div><span=
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" style=3D"background-color: inherit;">Regard,</font></span></div><div><span=
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v><div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, clean=
, sans-serif" style=3D"background-color: inherit;">Phil<br clear=3D"none"></=
font></span><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><font size=3D"2" style=3D"=
color:black;"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">-</span>----Original Message--=
---</font><br clear=3D"none"><font size=3D"2" style=3D"color:black;">From: H=
enry A. Morrison &lt;dos_gusanos@msn.com&gt;</font><br clear=3D"none"><font s=
ize=3D"2" style=3D"color:black;">To: Philip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.=
net&gt;; Philip Gott &lt;vfracing@aol.com&gt;</font><br clear=3D"none"><font=
 size=3D"2" style=3D"color:black;">Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2023 8:35 am</font><br=
 clear=3D"none"><font size=3D"2" style=3D"color:black;">Subject: Re: [Fot] S=
outhwick Conversion axle float</font><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><=
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Great, another project!&nbsp; Thanks&nbsp;for the info.............</div>
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Henry Morrison</div>
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01yqt6102015461"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"ydp5793c7c9yiv0754878201divRplyFwdMs=
g"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri, sans-ser=
if;"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; on behalf of Philip=
 Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 17, 2023 2:27 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Philip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none">=

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Southwick Conversion axle float</span>
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ze:small;"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">
</span></span><div class=3D"ydp5793c7c9yiv0754878201x_PlainText">Thank you f=
or the advice.<br clear=3D"none">
I made a shim out of a bronze thrust washer purchased from McMaster Car (par=
t number 5906K528). It fits over the 2=E2=80=9D OD&nbsp; bearing retainer sh=
runk on the shaft, although i opened it up about .040 to give some clearance=
. The OD of the thrust washer needs to be
 turned down a bit to fit inside the axle housing. It is just about the same=
 thickness or .002=E2=80=9D thicker than the backing plate, so the bearing w=
ill be captive and have no end play.&nbsp; As some of you advised, this will=
 go inside the bearing housing rather than
 inside the backing plate.<br clear=3D"none">
See you at Road America!!!<br clear=3D"none">
Phil<br clear=3D"none">
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from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
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&gt; On Feb 12, 2023, at 8:01 PM, Philip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net=
&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; =EF=BB=BFStarting to reassemble my rear axle after a successful install=
 of a new ring and pinion (thanks the help and advice on that one, FOT). Whe=
n putting in the axle shafts I noticed an indentation on the axle bearing re=
tainer from the bearing slamming sideways
 into it. Southwick machined the bearing housing ends the full width of the b=
earing. Because the backing plate fits over the bearing, there is nothing to=
 keep the bearing all the way in the bearing housing, and it shifts side to s=
ide in the void left between
 the retainer and the backing plate. <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; One solution would be to find some steel wire the same thickness as the=
 backing plate and form it into ring inside the hole in the backing plate.<b=
r clear=3D"none">
&gt; Does anyone have any other solutions or recommendations?<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
&gt; Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
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