Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...

[Duncan Charlton via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>]

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Maybe=E2=80=A6 he lives near my son so next time I run into him I=E2=80=99=
ll ask about line boring and other machining, and whether he=E2=80=99s in=
terested in selling equipment. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m thinking he not mind hav=
ing the cash =E2=80=94 but, incidentally, what=E2=80=99s the word on Denn=
is=E2=80=99 future plans=3F

Duncan
On Mar 24, 2020, 9:11 AM -0500, Bob Kramer <rkramer56=40gmail.com>, wrote=
:
> Duncan
>
> If he has one maybe we can talk him out of his line boring machine and =
set it up with Dennis at Precision=3F
>
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:12 AM Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54=40=
gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Do you know whether the outsourcing shop was the one in Elgin, TX=3F=
=C2=A0 Keith Kubosh, the guy who bought that place, has all the old equip=
ment that Mike used, but I don=E2=80=99t know whether or not he=E2=80=99s=
 learned to use the line-boring machine yet.=C2=A0 His welding job takes =
up most of his time but when I was last there a couple of years ago he wa=
s doing some engine work.
> > >
> > > Duncan
> > > On Mar 24, 2020, 7:51 AM -0500, Bob Kramer via =46ot <fot=40autox.t=
eam.net>, wrote:
> > > > I did have a sound block that came without bearing caps and a sup=
ply of =22almost fit=22 caps. Not wanting to waste a good block I spent t=
he money to have it line bored.=C2=A0 I've got a pretty talented machinis=
t here in Austin and he trimmed down the caps before sending it out to ge=
t lined bored. Worked fine.=C2=A0 Unfortunately the outsourced machine=C2=
=A0shop that he used for the line bore shut down a few years back.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kramer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:47 AM Phil Gott <vfracing=40aol.com> =
wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, Bob, as far as I know you are correct, the bearing notch=
es in the caps and saddles are always on the same side.
> > > > > > In the TR wet sleeve engine, each cap is unique as to its pos=
ition, so it should be really hard to mix them up.
> > > > > > Kas is right, however, in that in many engines it is good pra=
ctice to mark each cap as to position and orientation, just to be sure.
> > > > > > I have had a wet sleeve block line bored just to true it up a=
t ABT machine in Holliston, Mass. This creates two issues that must be ad=
dressed, both due to the slight raising of the crank center line:
> > > > > > 1) the clearance space of the top of the pistons needs to be =
checked to be sure there is no interference at TDC. Usually not a problem=
.
> > > > > > 2) more of a problem is that the aluminum insert for the rear=
 main seal may interfere with the block. This will become apparent when u=
sing the centering tool, and can be addressed by filing down the area of =
the seal where it interferes. Do not file or alter any other surface, as =
this will compromise the ability of the seal to function and/or to hold c=
orrectly one of the aftermarket rubber seals.=C2=A0 Be careful also not t=
o gouge the face of the aluminum seal where it mates with the flat surfac=
e of the block. Go slow and be careful. It should all work as intended.
> > > > > > Phil Gott
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Bob Kramer via =46ot <fot=40a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don=E2=80=99t all the main bearing caps go in with bearing =
notches on the same side as the notches in the saddles in the block=3F Or=
 is that just a TR4 thing=3F
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via =46=
ot <fot=40autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > firstly, are you 100% sure the caps are correctly fitted =
both round the right way and in number order=3F
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you need to decide if the caps are misaligned across the =
block or if the tunnel is simply oval because=C2=A0the hole in in cap is =
too far up or down. this will need a combination of feel and measurement
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if the alternative=C2=A0caps have a significant step to 1=
 side, so you will clearly feel a ledge at the mating faces when they are=
 tightened up
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if the stap is very minor, like a few thousandths=C2=A0of=
 an inch, then the faces of the cap are machined down to create an oval h=
ole, then it it is align honed
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if it is really bad, like many tens of thou, then you hav=
e to firstly move the cap sideways by machining the register on 1 side an=
d peening=C2=A0it on the other, and effectively moving it sideways, follo=
wed by boring/honing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sometimes, the bolts are too neat a fit to allow this and=
 if thats the case, its usually easier to find some other caps or make th=
em
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if the tunnel is simply=C2=A0an=C2=A0oval because the cap=
 is too far up or down, this is usually easily fixed by facing the cap ma=
ting surfaces and reboring the tunnels
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not all engine machine shop have a line borer...mine did =
not, so subcontracting the job is not uncommon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the end result should be a perfectly round hole with a su=
per fine hone (cross-hatch) mark on the bearing faces, to ensure=C2=A0per=
fect bearing shell=C2=A0contact
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > =C2=A0Terry
> > > > > > > > Australia
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:32 AM Bud Rolofson via =46ot =
<fot=40autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned ou=
t to not have the original main caps. The caps on there did not match up =
with the block but I=E2=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that c=
an machine them so there=E2=80=99s a round hole for the crank. The shop I=
 had do my last block (and they do 427 race engines among others and are =
well respected) told me that the result would be ovaled out holes (not ro=
und) which obviously is not good.
> > > > > > > > > > Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but=
 I haven=E2=80=99t found it. I checked out another block shop but said th=
ey subcontract line-boring to the the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99=
t do it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else encountered this problem=3F I=E2=80=99=
ve heard that steel mains might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still hav=
e to be line-bored to make them match. I hate to ship a block to get this=
 done before I have reassurances that they can make it work but does anyo=
ne know of that has successfully made main caps match the block=3F Given =
I=E2=80=99m spending a lot of time these days staying home and catching u=
p on car projects in the shop I figured it would be a good time to start =
building the next engine.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Solutions or recommendations=3F
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > Bud
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via =46ot <=
fot=40autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Amici,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In typically rookie race engine builder mode with t=
he block I selected for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my =
new fancy DeWalt 20V Impact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way =
around they went.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhe=
re down the road. Yet, I had several other blocks I could flip over and m=
ake a determination if need be.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I was examining one of the caps when I discovered t=
he faintest engraving on the surface of each cap:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Eng =232 =46ront =46wd
> > > > > > > > > > > Eng =232 Mid =46wd
> > > > > > > > > > > Eng =232 Rr =46wd
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extrao=
rdinaire had engraved each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur=
. He rotated 3 engines during each season in a quest for Divisional and N=
ational Championships.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical e=
ngineer and very successful=C2=A0racer thinks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again Doug=21
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <IMG=5F8745.jpg>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Maybe=E2=80=A6 he lives near my son so next time I =
run into him I=E2=80=99ll ask about line boring and other machining, and =
whether he=E2=80=99s interested in selling equipment. &=23160;I=E2=80=99m=
 thinking he not mind having the cash =E2=80=94 but, incidentally, what=E2=
=80=99s the word on Dennis=E2=80=99 future plans=3F</div>
</div>
<div name=3D=22messageSignatureSection=22><br />
<div class=3D=22match=46ont=22>Duncan</div>
</div>
<div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On Mar 24, 2020, 9:11 AM -0500, Bob=
 Kramer &lt;rkramer56=40gmail.com&gt;, wrote:<br />
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Duncan<br />
<div><br /></div>
<div>If he has one maybe we can talk him out of his line boring machine a=
nd set it up with Dennis at Precision=3F</div>
</div>
<br />
<div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fattr=22>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8=
:12 AM Duncan Charlton &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:duncan.charlton54=40gmail.=
com=22>duncan.charlton54=40gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br /></div>
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5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =23e67e22;=22>
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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Bob,&=23160;
<div dir=3D=22auto=22><br /></div>
<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Do you know whether the outsourcing shop was the on=
e in Elgin, TX=3F&=23160; Keith Kubosh, the guy who bought that place, ha=
s all the old equipment that Mike used, but I don=E2=80=99t know whether =
or not he=E2=80=99s learned to use the line-boring machine yet.&=23160; H=
is welding job takes up most of his time but when I was last there a coup=
le of years ago he was doing some engine work.</div>
</div>
</div>
<div name=3D=22messageSignatureSection=22><br />
<div>Duncan</div>
</div>
<div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On Mar 24, 2020, 7:51 AM -0500, Bob=
 Kramer via =46ot &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:fot=40autox.team.net=22 target=3D=
=22=5Fblank=22>fot=40autox.team.net</a>&gt;, wrote:<br />
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0px; border-left: thin solid =233498db;=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>I did have a sound block that came without bearing c=
aps and a supply of =22almost fit=22 caps. Not wanting to waste a good bl=
ock I spent the money to have it line bored.&=23160; I've got a pretty ta=
lented machinist here in Austin and he trimmed down the caps before sendi=
ng it out to get lined bored. Worked fine.&=23160; Unfortunately the outs=
ourced machine&=23160;shop that he used for the line bore shut down a few=
 years back.&=23160; &=23160;
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Bob Kramer</div>
</div>
</div>
<br /></div>
</div>
<br />
<div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fattr=22>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6=
:47 AM Phil Gott &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:vfracing=40aol.com=22 target=3D=22=
=5Fblank=22>vfracing=40aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br /></div>
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5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =23d35400;=22>
<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Yes, Bob, as far as I know you are correct, the bea=
ring notches in the caps and saddles are always on the same side.&=23160;=

<div>In the TR wet sleeve engine, each cap is unique as to its position, =
so it should be really hard to mix them up.</div>
<div>Kas is right, however, in that in many engines it is good practice t=
o mark each cap as to position and orientation, just to be sure.</div>
<div>I have had a wet sleeve block line bored just to true it up at ABT m=
achine in Holliston, Mass. This creates two issues that must be addressed=
, both due to the slight raising of the crank center line:</div>
<div>1) the clearance space of the top of the pistons needs to be checked=
 to be sure there is no interference at TDC. Usually not a problem.</div>=

<div>2) more of a problem is that the aluminum insert for the rear main s=
eal may interfere with the block. This will become apparent when using th=
e centering tool, and can be addressed by filing down the area of the sea=
l where it interferes. Do not file or alter any other surface, as this wi=
ll compromise the ability of the seal to function and/or to hold correctl=
y one of the aftermarket rubber seals.&=23160; Be careful also not to gou=
ge the face of the aluminum seal where it mates with the flat surface of =
the block. Go slow and be careful. It should all work as intended.</div>
<div>Phil Gott</div>
<div><br />
<br />
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><br />
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22margin: 5px 5px; padding-left: 1=
0px; border-left: thin solid =2334495e;=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22>On=
 Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Bob Kramer via =46ot &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:=
fot=40autox.team.net=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>fot=40autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br />
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0px; border-left: thin solid =2334495e;=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>=EF=BB=BFDon=E2=80=99t all the main bearing caps go =
in with bearing notches on the same side as the notches in the saddles in=
 the block=3F Or is that just a TR4 thing=3F<br />
<br />
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><br />
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22margin: 5px 5px; padding-left: 1=
0px; border-left: thin solid =232ecc71;=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22>On=
 Mar 23, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Enquiries Road &amp; Track via =46ot &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D=22mailto:fot=40autox.team.net=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>fot=40auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br />
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0px; border-left: thin solid =232ecc71;=22 class=3D=22spark=5Fquote=22>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>=EF=BB=BF
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>firstly, are you 100% sure the caps are correctly fi=
tted both round the right way and in number order=3F
<div><br /></div>
<div>you need to decide if the caps are misaligned across the block or if=
 the tunnel is simply oval because&=23160;the hole in in cap is too far u=
p or down. this will need a combination of feel and measurement<br />
<div><br /></div>
<div>
<div>if the alternative&=23160;caps have a significant step to 1 side, so=
 you will clearly feel a ledge at the mating faces when they are tightene=
d up<br /></div>
<div>
<div><br /></div>
<div>if the stap is very minor, like a few thousandths&=23160;of an inch,=
 then the faces of the cap are machined down to create an oval hole, then=
 it it is align honed</div>
<div><br /></div>
<div>if it is really bad, like many tens of thou, then you have to firstl=
y move the cap sideways by machining the register on 1 side and peening&=23=
160;it on the other, and effectively moving it sideways, followed by bori=
ng/honing</div>
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<div>sometimes, the bolts are too neat a fit to allow this and if thats t=
he case, its usually easier to find some other caps or make them</div>
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<div>if the tunnel is simply&=23160;an&=23160;oval because the cap is too=
 far up or down, this is usually easily fixed by facing the cap mating su=
rfaces and reboring the tunnels</div>
<div><br /></div>
<div>not all engine machine shop have a line borer...mine did not, so sub=
contracting the job is not uncommon</div>
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<div>the end result should be a perfectly round hole with a super fine ho=
ne (cross-hatch) mark on the bearing faces, to ensure&=23160;perfect bear=
ing shell&=23160;contact</div>
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<div>&=23160;Terry</div>
<div>Australia</div>
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<div>Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned out to not have t=
he original main caps. The caps on there did not match up with the block =
but I=E2=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that can machine them=
 so there=E2=80=99s a round hole for the crank. The shop I had do my last=
 block (and they do 427 race engines among others and are well respected)=
 told me that the result would be ovaled out holes (not round) which obvi=
ously is not good.
<div>Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but I haven=E2=80=99=
t found it. I checked out another block shop but said they subcontract li=
ne-boring to the the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99t do it.&=23160;<=
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<div>Has anyone else encountered this problem=3F I=E2=80=99ve heard that =
steel mains might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still have to be line-b=
ored to make them match. I hate to ship a block to get this done before I=
 have reassurances that they can make it work but does anyone know of tha=
t has successfully made main caps match the block=3F Given I=E2=80=99m sp=
ending a lot of time these days staying home and catching up on car proje=
cts in the shop I figured it would be a good time to start building the n=
ext engine.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Bud<br />
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<div>&=23160;<br />
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<div>On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via =46ot &lt;<a href=3D=22m=
ailto:fot=40autox.team.net=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>fot=40autox.team.ne=
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<div>In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I select=
ed for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWalt =
20V Impact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.=
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<div>This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhere down the road.=
 Yet, I had several other blocks I could flip over and make a determinati=
on if need be.</div>
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<div>I was examining one of the caps when I discovered the faintest engra=
ving on the surface of each cap:<br />
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Eng =232 =46ront =46wd</div>
<div>Eng =232 Mid =46wd</div>
<div>Eng =232 Rr =46wd</div>
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<div>Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extraordinaire had engr=
aved each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur. He rotated 3 en=
gines during each season in a quest for Divisional and National Champions=
hips.</div>
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<div>I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical engineer and very =
successful&=23160;racer thinks.</div>
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<div>Thanks again Doug=21</div>
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<div style=3D=22font-size:12.8px=22><b><font>Brad Eells</font></b></div>
<div style=3D=22font-size:12.8px=22><b><font>Chino CA</font></b></div>
<div style=3D=22font-size:12.8px=22><b><font>=2372 =46P 1969 Triumph Spit=
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<div style=3D=22font-size:12.8px=22><b><font>1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for =
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