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Bill,
You were right but I don't have a good solution at the moment. Only # 3
reacted to the carb cleaner and that suprises me a bit.
I have the thick remflex gaskets in there. One side of the intake manifold
on # 3 had barely any contact with the gasket.
The remflex and the Moss gaskets have 1-11/16" inside diameter openings at
the intakes. My cannon manifolds are 1-7/16"
and the cannon's don't have a lot of meat for bearing surface around the
lower area's around 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock.
As best I can tell though it was actually leaking on # 3 at 3 o'clock right
next to the clamp bolt.
I could actually look next to the clamp bolt and see where the gap was.
I need to either find different gaskets with a smaller ID or make my own.
Have you, or anybody had success at making their own intake/exhaust gaskets
from regular gasket material ?
jim
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From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:21 PM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please
Sounds like an air leak somewhere. Perhaps it gets overcome at full throttle
or is worsened at those specific RPMs because of harmonics in the vibration
of the carb. Might be a crack or flaw in the carb, but more likely it's in
the mounting, either O rings or some other flaw. They can be hard to detect
and locate. You could use the carb cleaner method-spray a little at each
joint or suspect area and listen for changes in engine sound. I've used the
ultrasonic detector I use for finding leaks in surfboards to some effect, a
leak sounds like a calliope, but there's a lot of other noise to sort it
from.
On May 3, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
I just installed my webers and I'm running into something not covered in
anything I've read so far.
At cruise speed which I do on the street, 2500 -3000 RPM my exhaust gas
temps on # 4 are 100 plus degrees
over # 1and will climb to 1400 if I stay at that throttle setting. Under
wide open throttle they equalize and seem
to settle in at about 1300.
However, I think this may be symptomatic of my other issue. When I'm tuning
the idle air screws, open them up until
it starts to miss & so on, I can get a predictable stumble from three out of
the four screws.
The screw on # 3 has no effect on the idle no matter how far I run it in or
out.
Also , when I put my syncrometers on #'s 3 and 4 they are significantly
different.
I'm not going to get my dyno tune before the first race in two weeks so I'm
left to figure it out on my own for now.
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Jim g
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You were right but I don’t =
have a
good solution at the moment. Only # 3 reacted to the carb cleaner and =
that
suprises me a bit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have the thick remflex gaskets in =
there.
One side of the intake manifold on # 3 had barely any contact with the =
gasket.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The remflex and the Moss gaskets =
have
1-11/16” inside diameter openings at the intakes. My cannon =
manifolds are
1-7/16”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>and the cannon’s don’t =
have a
lot of meat for bearing surface around the lower area’s around 5 =
o’clock
and 7 o’clock.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As best I can tell though it was =
actually leaking
on # 3 at 3 o’clock right next to the clamp =
bolt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I could actually look next to the =
clamp
bolt and see where the gap was.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I need to either find different =
gaskets
with a smaller ID or make my own.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Have you, or anybody had success at =
making
their own intake/exhaust gaskets from regular gasket material =
?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Bill =
Babcock
[mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 03, =
2015 1:21 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Jim
Gray</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
fot@autox.team.net<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Weber =
tuning
help please</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Sounds like an air leak somewhere. Perhaps it gets overcome at =
full
throttle or is worsened at those specific RPMs because of harmonics in =
the
vibration of the carb. Might be a crack or flaw in the carb, but more =
likely
it’s in the mounting, either O rings or some other flaw. They can =
be hard
to detect and locate. You could use the carb cleaner method—spray =
a
little at each joint or suspect area and listen for changes in engine =
sound.
I’ve used the ultrasonic detector I use for finding leaks in =
surfboards to
some effect, a leak sounds like a calliope, but there’s a lot of =
other
noise to sort it from. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On May 3, 2015, at 8:40 AM, <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Jim =
Gray</st1:PersonName>
via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I just installed my webers and I’m running into
something not covered in anything I’ve read so far.<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>At cruise speed which I do on the street, 2500 =
-3000
RPM my exhaust gas temps on # 4 are 100 plus degrees<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>over # 1and will climb to 1400 if I stay at that =
throttle
setting. Under wide open throttle they equalize and seem<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>to settle in at about 1300.<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>However, I think this may be symptomatic of my other =
issue.
When I’m tuning the idle air screws, open them up until<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>it starts to miss & so on, I can get a =
predictable
stumble from three out of the four screws.<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The screw on # 3 has no effect on the idle no matter =
how far
I run it in or out.<u1:p class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Also , when I put my syncrometers on #’s 3 and =
4 they
are significantly different.<u1:p =
class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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first
race in two weeks so I’m left to figure it out on my own for =
now.<u1:p class=3D""></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any help would be greatly appreciated,<u1:p =
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