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Re: TR7 to V-8 Tach modification

To: "perry robinson" <tps@fastlane.net>
Subject: Re: TR7 to V-8 Tach modification
From: Mark Tinker <mtinker@cisco.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:19:49 -0600
I found the following info. on the Listquest server from 1997:

                   I have the schematic for the TR7/8 tachometer.  I have used 
it to re-calibrate 
                    several TR7 tachs for TR8 use and to modify the tach for 
use with some types of 
                    capacitive discharge ignition systems.  The circuit is of 
1960's/1970's "Hybrid" 
                    construction.  It consists of carbon film deposition 
resistors on a ceramic 
                    substrate onto which "non-integrated" components (e.g., 
capacitors and the TI 
                    IC) are soldered.  The TI chip is probably a so called 
"house numbered" part.  
                    It is very common for chip manufacturers to provide a 
standard chip or a variant 
                    of one with labeled with a (large) customer's specified 
number.  My experience 
                    has been that getting them to tell you about it is 
impossible.

                    Anyway, the tach circuit operates like this:  The input 
signal from the primary 
                    coil is sent through a second order "pi" filter to remove 
spurious noise and 
                    prevent false triggering.  The filter signal is then fed to 
the IC which 
                    contains a trigger (probably Schmidt) circuit.  The output 
of this trigger 
                    controls a charge pump which is a circuit that uses the 
charge storage 
                    properties of a capacitor to convert a frequency to a 
voltage or current.  The 
                    relationship is i[cap] = C dv/dt.  A resistor (Rcharge) and 
capacitor (Ccharge) 
                    set the charge current (and therefore the calibration) of 
the tach.  In 
                    production, the value of Ccharge is the same for all 4/6/8 
cyl. designs.  The 
                    resistor is laser trimmed (I know it's hard to believe they 
would have something 
                    that high-tech, but it's true) to the correct value for the 
application (TR7, 
                    TR8, etc.).  This also adjusts the calibration to account 
for variations in 
                    meter movement sensitivity.  The output of the charge pump 
is then integrated 
                    (filtered) with another capacitor and fed through a buffer 
amplifier as a 
                    current to drive the meter movement.  The chip also 
contains an zener diode to 
                    regulate against supply voltage variations.  The blue 
capacitor you can see 
                    across the IC and a 150 ohm film resistor form the rest of 
the zener circuit. 

                    Sooo, after all this longwinded explanation, two points:

                    1.  The correct method to adjust the calibration of the 
tach is to adjust 
                    Rcharge as is done at the factory.  Not with a laser of 
course, but by 
                    substituting a potentiometer in place of the laser trimmed 
film resistor.  This 
                    will preserve the operating linearity of the circuit.  If 
you're going from a 4 
                    cylinder to an 8 cylinder, you can just place a pot in 
parallel with the film 
                    resistor.  To do this, connect a 100K pot (ten turn is 
best) between pin 7 and 
                    pin 4 of the IC.  Either calibrate against another tach or 
use a signal 
                    generator to calibrate (250Hz = 3750 RPM for an 8 cyl).  

                    2.  The cause of the startup problem is just friction in 
the meter movement.  
                    The blue cap has nothing to do with it (it is fully charged 
in 7.5 ms which is 
                    less time than it takes for you to turn you key from "acc" 
to "start").  Until 
                    the drive current through the meter is large enough or the 
vibration level is 
                    high enough to kick it loose, nothing happens.  This is why 
revving the engine 
                    (raising drive current) or hitting the dash (vibration) 
kicks it loose.  This is 
                    also why some do it more than others.  I had a meter on the 
test bench and with 
                    no vibration and a simulated low speed signal, the tach 
didn't move.  Up the sig 
                    gen frequency or tap it and viola, movement.

                    A chip that operates very similarly to the one in the tach 
is the National 
                    LM2917 frequency to voltage converter.  It's not identical, 
but the concepts are 
                    the same.

                    I hope this useful.

                    Scott

                    '80 TR8
                    '73 Stag (For Sale)

At 06:42 PM 3/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Randall, that is exactly what I believed to be true about how tachs
>actually convert the "signal"going to them into linear movement!!  I
>believed that is was voltage, not "frequency" that actually drove the
>needle of the tach.  I will see if I can get the schematic out of one of
>the service manuals, and try to get it to you.
>
>Many Thanks!
>



Mark Tinker
Systems Engineer, U.S. Channels
Cisco Systems
Dallas, TX  USA

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