You know, this may seem like a crazy idea, but why not just limit Stock
class to stock shocks? Hmmm...the simplicity of it is downright scary...
-Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Green [mailto:iagreen@ucdavis.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:07 AM
> To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
>
>
> I really don't agree with the shock issues going around in
> stock lately.
> But I've never ran stock and don't plan on it so I guess its
> not really my
> buisness. But if you start limiting shocks to major companies
> aren't you
> just helping to shut down the newer, smaller companies?
> Especially if you
> start trying to spread those rules beyond stock. We aren't
> the only form
> of motorsports but I'm sure that we do make up a signifigant
> portion of
> the market that these companies build for. If you limited
> specialty shocks
> to prepared/modified you'd probably hurt alot of the upcoming
> technology
> and probably lose alot of potential new autocrossers. Running in STS
> (supposedly the next step from stock) we have alot of
> discussions about
> newcomers already exceeding the rules with their daily
> drivers. Not too
> many people own prep/mod cars but theres a pretty good number who own
> street driven cars in various classes with custom built shocks.
>
> Ian
> STS 99
> shocks $ = 1/2 current blue book $
>
> > Hi Anthony
> >
> > Your version is definitely much easier to read and
> understand. The price
> > limit thing is questionable though. I hope that your kind
> of thinking
> could
> > be applied to the Street Prepared classes too. How can I
> compete with
> cars
> > that have $1500 a corner shocks and struts and have 350rwhp
> as well as
> have
> > 315 or 335 tires sticking out of the wheel wells. Those
> type of race
> parts
> > should be left in the Prepared and Modified classes really.
> People might
> > complain that it really only makes a small difference in
> track time. Add
> > all those small changes up and the rich guys have much
> faster cars. My
> two
> > cents.
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Anthony Tabacco
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 AM
> > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> >
> >
> > The SEB is all over the map on trying to write a revised
> rule for stock
> > shocks. You probably read the distilled draft of the rule
> in Fast-track
> last
> > issue. While I appreciate the effort, after mighty debate,
> it has brought
> > forth a rule that says that shocks for stock class cars cannot have
> remote
> > reservoirs. This isn't even close to good enough. The debate for all
> > practical purposes is dominated and limited to those very few
> stakeholders
> > with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, which
> means more
> money
> > than everyone else would even consider spending, or that
> they make their
> > living at servicing them. It is not healthy for the sport,
> but I think
> they
> > were surprised to hear from an "ordinary" member. The response was
> > interesting. Someone on the SEB asked me (I think
> sincerely) for specific
> > language. I am proceeding on the premise that a Koni 2800
> or a Penske on
> a
> > Stock car is as stupid as R Compounds and that a workable
> shock rule can
> be
> > centered around restrictions on cost. If you don't agree
> with that, you
> need
> > to write your own letter because thats where I'm coming
> from, and here is
> > what I have:
> >
> > "It is the intent of this rule that Stock Class serve as
> the entry class
> to
> > the sport and that cost containment is of primary
> importance to that
> goal.
> > Shock absorbers costs are best controlled by limiting
> shocks to units
> > economical enough that outright replacement of a unit is
> the mandatory
> > alternative in lieu of rebuilding.
> >
> > 1) Shocks shall be limited to one external adjustment,
> except when OEM.
> > 2) Shocks are limited to "off the shelf" units available for general
> > distribution street use to the public typically including, but not
> limited
> > to: OEM, Koni single adjustable, Bilstein, Tokiko, KYB, or
> available "house
> > brands", or other such units that meet the criteria and
> intent of the
> rule.
> > 3) The use of Koni 2800, Olin, Penske, Fox, DMS, or other such units
> > specifically manufactured for the specialty racing market are
> specifically
> > disallowed.
> > 4) Shocks shall be installed "as manufactured" and shall
> not be purchased
> > from a third party in a modified condition or opened up for
> any reason
> by an
> > entrant or a third party. Revalving, machining, or modifying a shock
> > absorber for any reason is specifically disallowed. Except
> as supplied as
> > OEM, the use of remote reservoirs, alloy bodies, adjustable
> perches, or
> > welded off coil-overs is prohibited.
> > 5) Cost of each unit is limited to $250 per unit or 125% of OEM,
> whichever
> > is greater."
> >
> > So, how close did I came? This gets added to the usual
> other stuff there.
> > Also, if anyone can tell me if the cost item #5 does not
> work for them
> (like
> > what does a 996 shock cost anyway?) or you can add to the list of
> > allowed/dis-allowed, I would appreciate it. The other smoke
> and mirror
> thing
> > you hear a lot of is enforceability (as though anyone who
> can get past a
> > dipstick couldn't find tons of legal horsepower and tons more of
> > undetectable horsepower) so they are worried that the guy
> in the next
> pit is
> > going to cheat. its just a screen to not change a situation
> that has
> evolved
> > to the ridiculous.
> >
> > Be good,
> > Tony
> >
>
> Ian Green
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