Wow, brings back memories! That was my first autox with NASA. Peggy called
my M3 a nice grocery getter!!! Those 510 drivers!
--Navid
Working on a second generation killer grocery getter!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of craig boyle
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:48 PM
> To: Donald R McKenna; Dennis Hale; lollipop487@home.com
> Cc: ba autox
> Subject: Re: SFR Courses
>
>
> I remember a pin-turn not too many years back (98?) at
> Candlestick. I'm pretty sure it was NASA as the next
> section was very narrow. I totally hate pin-turns, but
> chose to work that turn, before running, and got out
> my stopwatch. There was a tremendous difference
> between the fast and the slow cars and the lines they
> took. You could say the event was won or lost on that
> turn.
>
> IIRC, some funky looking first gen Honda Civic (Dwayne
> Komush??) was fastest around the pin turn that day.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> --- Donald R McKenna <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Dennis Hale responded to Pat Kelly's comment:
> >
> > >>Pin turns (turn-around) have not been used here
> > since
> > >the gymkhana days which disappeared from the scene
> > >here over 30 years ago.
> > >
> > >Well, almost. We did have those two pin cone turns
> > at
> > >the Livermore street race in 1991. 8-}
> >
> > The Livermore street event was a lot of fun! It,
> > also, required a whole lot
> > of effort for all who put it together (thanks
> > Dennis, Peggy and everyone
> > else). Unfortunately, for one of the turns, the
> > narrow steet width, the road
> > crown and curbs, made those particular "pin" turns,
> > to say the least, very
> > challenging for some vehicles/drivers. However,
> > those turns were almost a
> > neccessity to make the course as interesting as it
> > was, given the area the
> > city allowed us to use.
> >
> > Also, as recently as '97-'99 SCCA SFR courses at
> > Oakland and, in the same
> > general time frame, SCCA Fresno courses, at Castle,
> > have used "pin" turns.
> >
> > One of the, several, objections I recall being
> > voiced about "pin" turn
> > design was that a car's size and/or turning circle
> > could be either a
> > significant advantage or disadvantage for different
> > size cars in the same
> > class.
> >
> > "Pin" turns can be a very challenging and enjoyable
> > feature of course
> > design. It's my experience, with my, relatively
> > large, Corvettes, that a
> > "pin" turn, conforming to a minimum, or greater,
> > combined entry/exit width
> > of 80 feet, as defined by SCCA SFR Supps para. #19,
> > can really reward the
> > best disciplined and prepared drivers/cars. Also, If
> > either or both decent
> > length entry (read: higher gear entry speed) and
> > exit (significant
> > full-throtle exit) sections can be included in the
> > course design, the
> > challenge of the corner can "exercise" many of the
> > skills required to "be
> > fast". Hard at-the-limit braking, down-shifting,
> > pivoting technique/ no-push
> > car set-up, out-of-corner throttle application and
> > upshifting timing cover a
> > lot of what we must learn/practice in order to be
> > "FAST"
> >
> > Don
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