>>As for cost, that should come under the protest bond. <<
I will have to disagree respectfully hear... Every protest costs the same.
Tear down bonds are essentially the same formula... hours to do job X going
rate, perhaps dealer rate... but..... but... but...
It should not cost me more to protest a Ferrari in ASP for track or
wheelbase then it would a Mazda RX7. Why should that burden fall to me and
not the person that *chooses* to drive a car with expensive (or no)
documentation.
(And this has been one of the better threads on .net in some time btw...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
To: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>; "Steven J Miller"
<sjm@us.ibm.com>; ".Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals
> Yes, Rick, I agree with you there. It should be the burden (initially) of
> the protestee to provide proof of legality. But in this era, it is no
longer
> reasonable to require that proof be personally owned documentation.
> Therefore, if the situation arises, then the protestee must be allowed
> reasonable time to obtain such proof -- and not be immediately DQ as has
> been past practice (reasonable 25 years ago, not today). If necessary, the
> protested car can be impounded pending receipt of such proof.
>
> As for cost, that should come under the protest bond. If the protested car
> is legal and protestee had to incur expense to prove himself so, that
> expense is borne by the protestor whether it be teardown expense or
> dealership verification expense. If the car is illegal, protestee foots
the
> bill. That would mean the protestee buys the shop time, but gets repaid
from
> the bond, same as he buys the gasket set to rebuild the torn-down motor
and
> is repaid from the bond if he is legal.
>
> And in many cases, it will still be cheaper than acquiring the
> documentation. And a helluvalot cheaper than everyone in the class having
> individual documentation when one car gets protested.
>
> --Rocky
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; "Steven J Miller" <sjm@us.ibm.com>;
> <autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals
>
>
> > >>But I'd hate to buy my car new today and then have to find one at a
> > reasonable cost.<<
> >
> > I agree with you.. so if you don't need a shop manual, when there *is* a
> > protest... shouldn't the burden still be on you to provide proof of
> > legality? Even if it means that you have to foot the bill at the dealer
> for
> > them to look up the information?
> >
> > Its great to stand up and say its a financial burden, but the ultimate
> > burden of proof for each car out there needs to be on the owner of the
> > vehicle.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
> > To: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>; "Steven J Miller"
> <sjm@us.ibm.com>
> > Cc: <autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals
> >
> >
> > > The helmet I use every event.
> > > The tires I use every event
> > > Even the shocks (I don' need no steenkin' Penskes) I use every event.
> > >
> > > That damn book just sits there and takes up space I could use for
spares
> > on
> > > the off chance someone might protest me someday (I could wish to worry
> my
> > > competitors enough to get protested).
> > >
> > > (My book isn't so big, but at least you can read it. What about books
> > that
> > > are four feet long or in a media that needs a special machine to read
> it?)
> > >
> > > Costs have become unreasonable for those that are available, updates
> > become
> > > impossible, availability is iffy depending on what you drive.
> > >
> > > Yes, Rick, the option is a better answer. Having documentation should
be
> > > encouraged, but to DQ someone for failure to have it has become an
> > untenable
> > > solution. I'll have my book with me if only because it is the easier
way
> > > (since I've had it for decades, and I even actually use it to work on
> the
> > > car.) But I'd hate to buy my car new today and then have to find one
at
> a
> > > reasonable cost.
> > >
> > > --Rocky
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