thought i'd forward this reply (that i thought i had sent to all instead i
sent it only to simon...oops!)
chuck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Christ <cfchrist@earthlink.net>
To: Simon Favre <simon@mondes.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Vintage Eligibility
> personally i believe it is up to the owner of the car to decide exactly
what
> he or she choses to do with it when finished, before starting anything.
> cars from the 50's that have seen active competition up to the 70's and
> farther have a specific set of rules for each upgrad/modification
according
> the the requirements of the rules which at times changed from year to
year.
> a long time ago i restored a car which i own the way i wanted it to be.
> then decided i wanted to show it and later hill climb it in scca vintage1.
> if i had only checked the rules, decided exactly what i wanted it to do
upon
> completion, be it competition, show or street , that would have saved me
an
> incredible amount of agrivation(and money). i now ask, before starting
> anything, what are your expectations for this when finished? most cars
> seem to be described as a specific year of competition even if 5 diffrent
> drivers drove it in that year.
> to cheat or not to cheat? good question! but if proper documentation can
> be provided to suport an extremly questionable modification in a specific
> competition year??? possibly that is not the year you should contemplate
if
> you are a bit squeamish. but if you own a documented competition car
> possibly that is the only year to choose to restore to(the most unique
> representation of it's history). now what sanctioning body you choose to
> go play with? that takes some responsible investigating on an owner's
part
> too!
>
> chuck.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon Favre <simon@mondes.com>
> To: Derek Harling <derek.lola@sympatico.ca>
> Cc: <vintage-race@autox.team.net>; <JWoesvra@aol.com>;
> <David.Laver@msdw.com>; <lwdent@fwi.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Vintage Eligibility
>
>
> > I especially like the part about being on both sides of nearly every
> issue.
> > ;=)
> >
> > As long as we're on the 7/8ths Camaro and the like, here's another case
> for
> > the learned experts out there. A few years ago, a friend acquired a
fairly
> > well known lightweight Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce. It had been
> > campaigned extensively by a well known west coast racer. At some point
in
> the
> > very distant past, it had its fenders flared, presumably for running in
> SCCA
> > Production classes. Because the car dated from '58, but the flares dated
> from
> > 1970, or so, the local vintage club made him go to great pains to
de-flare
> > the car. Was this right? That was the way the car was raced in its last
> > attempt at staying current. If the mods were 25-30 years old, don't they
> have
> > their own vintage status? He enjoys the car just as much now, with
normal
> > fenders, so they were no great loss in this case. It's just that he had
to
> go
> > to considerable trouble and expense to have 30-year old mods undone.
> >
> > OK, OK, I know fender flares are the toe in the door that leads to
roller
> > rockers, NASCAR motors and other evils. ;=) Here's another case. There
is
> > another car, well known in local circles, that had a complete rebody at
> some
> > point in time. It was also a plain Giulietta Spider Veloce originally,
but
> it
> > was completely cut up and rebodied to resemble a small sports racer,
kind
> of
> > like a 7/8 scale Can-Am car. ;=) This car isn't currently active, but I
> can
> > just see it coming out one of these days with howls of protest over the
> wide
> > wheels, Aluminum fenders, and un-Alfa like appearance. This car even has
a
> > name, for crying out loud. What's right? Is the former car evil because
> only
> > the fenders were flared and they didn't go all the way to a complete
> rebody,
> > or will the rebodied car have to go back to being a Giulietta Spider and
> lose
> > its particular identity and its unique history?
> >
> > Is this distinction because former SCCA Production cars are considered
> evil
> > in some circles?
> >
> > Derek Harling wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably the best two paragraphs ever written on the subject. Suggest
> everybody
> > > reads them again. Thank you Jack.
> > >
> > > JWoesvra@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have spent the last 25 years debating the value of originality. I
> have been
> > > > on both sides of nearly every issue. I believe I have directed SVRA
to
> a
> > > > position of stability and sanity concerning rules and regulations.
> What we
> > > > will let you do we have put in writing and made the documents
> available to
> > > > anyone who asks for them. Each race organization has reasons for
their
> > > > position on these issues. I hope they all have arrived at their at
> their
> > > > conclusions with as much research and dedication as we have.
> > > >
> > > > Race with your conscience. Don't go where you don't agree with what
> they are
> > > > doing. I hope you choose our way, but I completely understand if you
> find
> > > > another way that pleases you.
> > > >
> > > > Jack Woehrle
> >
>
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