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Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer

To: "spamiam@comcast.net" <spamiam@comcast.net>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:18:25 +0000 (UTC)
Cc: "billbrewer59@yahoo.com" <billbrewer59@yahoo.com>
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 I go way beyond that.=C2=A0 First I use a 1N4004 to protect against negati=
ve-going spikes (which car be as high as -80 volts), then I place a 15V Zen=
er or TVS to clamp any positive-going pulses (which can be as high as 120V)=
.=C2=A0 Depending on the application I also include a low value resistor or=
 polyfuse to limit the current the TVS needs to sink.=C2=A0 Then there is t=
he input filter as you pointed out.
This may be a bit of overkill but without the ability to test for optimum a=
nd considering I'm only going to build a few (or one) of these things a lit=
tle overkill is cheap insurance.
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Dave=20


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-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam@comcast.net>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Cc: billbrewer59@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer

I built my own voltage stabilizer.

At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a=
 crude shunt regulator.

I used a LM2940=E2=80=9310 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.

Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regul=
ators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other compone=
nts around it.

As I recall,=C2=A0 These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs be=
nt over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.

Not ideal

All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output s=
ide of the regulator.

My regulator with the LM 2940=E2=80=9310 has been in use since probably abo=
ut 2004 with no problems in a TR4A

I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interest=
ed.

-Tony

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> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote:
>=20
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> From: William Brewer <billbrewer59@yahoo.com>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"
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> ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage=20
> stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the=
=20
> 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage=20
> stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal=20
> about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage=
=20
> style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that=20
> has a long life?

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<div> <font size=3D"3">I go way beyond that.&nbsp; First I use a 1N4004 to =
protect against negative-going spikes (which car be as high as -80 volts), =
then I place a 15V Zener or TVS to clamp any positive-going pulses (which c=
an be as high as 120V).&nbsp; Depending on the application I also include a=
 low value resistor or polyfuse to limit the current the TVS needs to sink.=
&nbsp; Then there is the input filter as you pointed out.</font></div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div><font size=3D"3">This may be a bit of overkill but without the ability=
 to test for optimum and considering I'm only going to build a few (or one)=
 of these things a little overkill is cheap insurance.</font><br>
</div>

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<div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Anthony Rhodes &lt;spamiam@comcast.net&gt;<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Cc: billbrewer59@yahoo.com<br>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 1:40 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I built my own voltage stabilizer.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transist=
or as a form of a crude shunt regulator.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I used a LM2940=E2=80=9310 automotive low dropout 10 V ana=
log regulator.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer=
 electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with=
 no other components around it.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">As I recall,&nbsp; These used a through hole TO 220 device=
 with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Not ideal<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the =
input in output side of the regulator.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">My regulator with the LM 2940=E2=80=9310 has been in use s=
ince probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if =
they are interested.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">-Tony<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, <a ymailto=3D"mailto:triu=
mphs-request@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-request@autox.team.net=
">triumphs-request@autox.team.net</a> wrote:<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Message: 1<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; From: William Brewer &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:billbre=
wer59@yahoo.com" href=3D"mailto:billbrewer59@yahoo.com";>billbrewer59@yahoo.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; To: Triumph List &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Mo=
ss gauge voltage <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the q=
uit outputting the <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on thei=
r voltage <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss ma=
kes a big deal <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing"=
. Screw the vintage <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; style housing, I want dependability. Is there an afte=
rmarket one that <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; has a long life?<br>
</div>

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