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David-
You might be able to use a short piece of PVC pipe to fit against the flang=
e, and then pull the axle&bearing out against that pipe with the castellate=
d nut and large washer. Would at least give you some control over the oper=
ation.
Nice work there!
Randy
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of David Gunn <c=
cgunn@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 6:12 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR2 Rear Brake Drum/Axle Success - Kind Of
Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly appreciated. I l=
iberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil. Due to the smoke=
and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to the shop for a coup=
le of days. But, when I did, it popped right off! I didn't see any signs =
of massive rust, so I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc=
road grime. I will clean everything real well before I put it back togeth=
er.
I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction M=
anual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing). I am also using the Haynes =
book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle. One interesting i=
tem to note: when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 =
shims behind the washer. They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know th=
at they are not original. [Emoji] Not sure why, but I will probably put =
them back. The left side is not the side that was originally leaking.
I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle c=
asing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the manu=
al says. But nothing budged. I then pounded a thin paint scraper between t=
he hub and axle casing. That was the only place that I could see where it =
could come apart. It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft. The o=
il seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached so=
mehow. The axle shaft does spin, and does push in and pull out about 1/4 =
inch, or less.. I thought the the bearing and seal and hub needed to be pr=
essed onto the axle shaft.
I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously. Evid=
ently, I ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil seals, an=
d then reassembled.
In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like part of it has nev=
er seen any oil. It is completely dry. Yes, I have kept the rear end full=
, and have greased the grease fitting. Also, it does appear that the wheel=
bearings have been replaced before (not by me), as they are marked "made i=
n the USA" The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold: 1) =
I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual said, and 2) I w=
anted to look at the wheel bearing.
So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, as th=
e manual says? What am I missing?
I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, in an=
album labeled "TR2". They are at the end of the album. I also included p=
ictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the manual, plus "S=
ervice Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.
The link to that album is: TR2<https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/=
72157602881332130/page1>
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TR2
Explore this photo album by David on Flickr!
I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle shaft "pulled ou=
t" and "pushed in". There's also pictures of the Bud shims.
I have not attempted to take the right side off. Just in case I am doing s=
omething wrong; although, it is at the point where the axle shaft should ju=
st pull out, and it doesn't.
A last (for now) interesting note. I acquired the TR2 from a friend about =
1985. I drove it for about a year, then parked it and raised kids. I star=
ted my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of years later. As I s=
aid before, it has been parked again since about 2011. Of it's 67 year lif=
e, I have owned it for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.
Thank you, in advance, for your help,
David
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly =
appreciated. I liberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating =
oil. Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back=
out to the shop for a couple of days. But,
when I did, it popped right off! I didn't see any signs of massive r=
ust, so I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc road grime.=
I will clean everything real well before I put it back together.</di=
v>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Serv=
ice Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing). I am =
also using the Haynes book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 ax=
le. One interesting item to note: when
removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 shims behind the w=
asher. They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know that they are n=
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Not sure why, but I will probably put them back. The
left side is not the side that was originally leaking.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the =
hub to the axle casing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft=
out, as the manual says. But nothing budged. I then pounded a thin p=
aint scraper between the hub and axle casing.
That was the only place that I could see where it could come apart. =
It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft. The oil seal came o=
ut with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached somehow. T=
he axle shaft does spin, and does push in and
pull out about 1/4 inch, or less.. I thought the the bearing and sea=
l and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals =
previously. Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, just insta=
lled the oil seals, and then reassembled.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like p=
art of it has never seen any oil. It is completely dry. Yes, I =
have kept the rear end full, and have greased the grease fitting. Als=
o, it does appear that the wheel bearings have been
replaced before (not by me), as they are marked "made in the USA"=
; The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold: 1)=
I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual said, and =
2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just=
slide out, as the manual says? What am I missing?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my F=
lickr site, in an album labeled "TR2". They are at the end =
of the album. I also included pictures of the rear axle drawings and =
instructions from the manual, plus "Service Diagnosis"
(Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.<br>
</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The link to that album is: <a href=3D"https://www.fl=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle=
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pictures of the Bud shims.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have not attempted to take the right side off. Jus=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A last (for now) interesting note. I acquired the TR=
2 from a friend about 1985. I drove it for about a year, then parked =
it and raised kids. I started my restoration about 2002, and finished=
a couple of years later. As I said before, it has
been parked again since about 2011. Of it's 67 year life, I have own=
ed it for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.<br>
</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you, in advance, for your help,</div>
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