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After all this talk about charging I thought it was time to top up my batt=
eries.=C2=A0 The TR6 has a constant drain from a radio with electronic tuni=
ng and a digital clock and a display that is always active.=C2=A0 About 5 m=
A.=C2=A0 The smart charger spent a few minutes in absorption mode and then =
to float.=C2=A0 But then I've driven the car fairly recently.
The TR3, which hadn't been driven since August or September, went straight =
to float. After 4 months of inactivity there was no appreciable battery dis=
charge on the TR3.
I once parked my TR6 in a barn for 11 months (it was supposed to be 4 month=
s but life gets in the way).=C2=A0 When I went to get it I came prepared fo=
r the worst but all I had to do was hook up the batter, start the car and d=
rive home.
My experience tells me that batteries have a pretty good shelf life.=C2=A0 =
If the battery is disconnected or in a car such as my TR3 with no static lo=
ad when switched off, it can go for four to six months easily.=C2=A0 Puttin=
g the charger on it once a month is plenty.=C2=A0 If you have a car with a =
static load (like most modern cars or cars with modern radios) once a week =
is probably a good idea.=C2=A0 If you want to set-and-forget get a timer an=
d run it occasionally as Rob does with his airplane - though I'll bet 15 mi=
nutes a day would be plenty.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net>
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 7:23 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging
Several years ago we started using a battery maintenance device on our airp=
lane battery during the winter. =C2=A0The battery maintenance device is on =
a timer so it=E2=80=99s on about an hour a day . =C2=A0Since we started usi=
ng it we have we have not had a battery failure. =C2=A0A great improvement =
over previous battery life. Aviation batteries are very expensive.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also have a Battery Minder in the garage that I move betwee=
n cars in the cold weather. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve got a older BMW that generat=
es =C2=A0random ( =C2=A0it seems) trouble codes if I attempt to start it an=
d the battery voltage is low.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
Merry Christmas! =C2=A0I took my TR3a out today top down with Santa hat in =
50 degree weather. =C2=A0Brrrr. =C2=A0But the heater is working well. =C2=
=A0Cheers,Jim Henningsen=C2=A0Ocala fl=C2=A0
On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>=
wrote:
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dSection1 {}#yiv0724164122 I forgot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christm=
as night and there are a bunch of us chatting about the relative merits of =
battery chargers, and we are doing it from each end of the country. This is=
why I enjoy this crew so much. There is just so much genuine help and assi=
stance. We need to always give Mark Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping th=
e mechanics of this process up and running. Where would we be without his e=
fforts? =C2=A0Have a great Christmas, everyone , as well as a good new year=
. It=E2=80=99s now 8:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good night. =C2=A0Alex=
Thomson =C2=A0From: Rye Livingston [mailto:ryel@mac.com]=20
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:58 PM
To: Alex & Janet Thomson
Cc: David Friedlander; TR3 Triumphs; list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging =C2=A0For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here =
is an opinion from to experts I was surprised to hear. =C2=A0One is a Porsc=
he mechanic who=E2=80=99s been in the business for 30+ years. =C2=A0The Int=
erstate battery had died and even pumped out some white power at the end, o=
ut a breather tube from the battery. =C2=A0I cleaned it all up well, worrie=
d about battery acid in the front truck. =C2=A0I went to the shop, he=E2=80=
=99s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new battery and told h=
im what happened, and that I=E2=80=99d had the battery connected to a Batte=
ry Tender Jr. =C2=A0He told me that even that brand, which is good, is real=
ly not good to leave on all the time, and it will cook the battery. =C2=A0H=
e recommends putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week=
or two, and repeat. =C2=A0Well that=E2=80=99s a pain. =C2=A0Then in my Air=
stream trailer which has two 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=E2=80=99ve rea=
d that the power converter that comes with the trailer also isn=E2=80=99t d=
esigned to leave plugged in all the time and it will cook the batteries, wh=
ich did happen. =C2=A0I tried using a Battery Tender Jr on that but it coul=
dn=E2=80=99t deal with 2 batteries. =C2=A0I was then told about an upgrade =
for the Airsteam power converter on Amazon, about $200 or so, which I insta=
lled and it does manage the float and it can be left plugged in for months =
and months no problem. =C2=A0So be careful with Battery Tenders. =C2=A0I ha=
ve two Battery Tender Jrs and four Die Hard battery tenders for multiple ca=
rs, Kubota tractor and a boat. =C2=A0Just be careful how long you leave the=
m plugged in and check the water level if it=E2=80=99s not a gel battery. =
=C2=A0I have an Optima in my Triumph and Kubota. =C2=A0Good luck, =C2=A0Rye
On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>=
wrote: =C2=A0Are the batteries still connected to their cars? Maybe there =
is a slight draw on the TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because it n=
eeds a new wiring harness. There were some wires that had let the smoke out=
! After I drove it into winter storage, I disconnected the ground cable and=
noticed that there was a tiny spark! Something is leaking current. Another=
project to do!=C2=A0Alex Thomson=C2=A0From:=C2=A0Triumphs [mailto:triumphs=
-bounces@autox.team.net]=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0David Friedlander
Sent:=C2=A0Friday, December 25, 2020 3:18 PM
To:=C2=A0New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
Subject:=C2=A0[TR] Battery charging=C2=A0Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!=C2=
=A0I have one float charger that serves both my TR3 that has an Optima red =
top battery and my TR6 that has a Sears Die Hard. Seems like even though ea=
ch battery is only 2 -3 years old, the Die Hard seems to need more frequent=
=E2=80=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the Optima.... Interesting....=C2=A0Dave=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">After all this talk about charging I thought it was =
time to top up my batteries. The TR6 has a constant drain from a radi=
o with electronic tuning and a digital clock and a display that is always a=
ctive. About 5 mA. The smart charger spent a few minutes in abs=
orption mode and then to float. But then I've driven the car fairly r=
ecently.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">The TR3, which hadn't been driven since August or Sep=
tember, went straight to float. After 4 months of inactivity there was no a=
ppreciable battery discharge on the TR3.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">I once parked my TR6 in a barn for 11 months (it was =
supposed to be 4 months but life gets in the way). When I went to get=
it I came prepared for the worst but all I had to do was hook up the batte=
r, start the car and drive home.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">My experience tells me that batteries have a pretty g=
ood shelf life. If the battery is disconnected or in a car such as my=
TR3 with no static load when switched off, it can go for four to six month=
s easily. Putting the charger on it once a month is plenty. If =
you have a car with a static load (like most modern cars or cars with moder=
n radios) once a week is probably a good idea. If you want to <span s=
tyle=3D"font-style: italic;">set-and-forget</span> get a timer and run it o=
ccasionally as Rob does with his airplane - though I'll bet 15 minutes a da=
y would be plenty.</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net><br>
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 7:23 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery charging<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"yiv0724164122">
<div>Several years ago we started using a battery maintenance device on our=
airplane battery during the winter. The battery maintenance device i=
s on a timer so it=E2=80=99s on about an hour a day . Since we starte=
d using it we have we have not had a battery failure. A great improve=
ment over previous battery life. Aviation batteries are very expensive.<br =
clear=3D"none"> I also have a Battery Minder in the garage tha=
t I move between cars in the cold weather. I=E2=80=99ve got a older B=
MW that generates random ( it seems) trouble codes if I attempt=
to start it and the battery voltage is low.<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122yqt0058784409" id=3D"yiv0724164122yqtfd00794"><b=
r clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Jim=
Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></blockquote></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122yqt0058784409" id=3D"yiv0724164122yqtfd34951"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">
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</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122yqt0058784409" id=3D"yiv0724164122yqtfd31094">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Merry Christmas! I took my TR3a out today top down w=
ith Santa hat in 50 degree weather. Brrrr. But the heater is wo=
rking well. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Ocala fl </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 20=
20, at 8:28 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net> wr=
ote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">I forg=
ot to mention =E2=80=93 here it is Christmas night and there are a bunch of=
us chatting about the relative merits of battery chargers, and we are doin=
g it from each end of the country. This is why I enjoy this crew so much. T=
here is just so much genuine help and assistance. We need to always give Ma=
rk Bradakis a big thank-you for keeping the mechanics of this process up an=
d running. Where would we be without his efforts?</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">  =
;</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Have a=
great Christmas, everyone , as well as a good new year. It=E2=80=99s now 8=
:30 in Connecticut and to all, a good night.</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">  =
;</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Alex T=
homson</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">  =
;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Rye Livingston [mailto:r=
yel@mac.com] <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 25, 2020 6:58=
PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Alex & Janet Thomson<br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Cc:</b> David Friedlander; TR3 Triumphs; list Triumph<br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Battery charging</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, here is =
an opinion from to experts I was surprised to hear. One is a Porsche =
mechanic who=E2=80=99s been in the business for 30+ years. The Inters=
tate battery had died and even pumped out some white power at the end, out =
a breather tube from the battery. I cleaned it all up well, worried a=
bout battery acid in the front truck. I went to the shop, he=E2=80=99=
s an Interstate distributor as well, and bought a new battery and told him =
what happened, and that I=E2=80=99d had the battery connected to a Battery =
Tender Jr. He told me that even that brand, which is good, is really =
not good to leave on all the time, and it will cook the battery. He r=
ecommends putting it on for a week or two, then disconnecting for a week or=
two, and repeat. Well that=E2=80=99s a pain.</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Then in my Airstream trailer which ha=
s two 12 volt deep cycle batteries, I=E2=80=99ve read that the power conver=
ter that comes with the trailer also isn=E2=80=99t designed to leave plugge=
d in all the time and it will cook the batteries, which did happen. I=
tried using a Battery Tender Jr on that but it couldn=E2=80=99t deal with =
2 batteries. I was then told about an upgrade for the Airsteam power =
converter on Amazon, about $200 or so, which I installed and it does manage=
the float and it can be left plugged in for months and months no problem.<=
/div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">So be careful with Battery Tenders. &=
nbsp;I have two Battery Tender Jrs and four Die Hard battery tenders for mu=
ltiple cars, Kubota tractor and a boat. Just be careful how long you =
leave them plugged in and check the water level if it=E2=80=99s not a gel b=
attery. I have an Optima in my Triumph and Kubota.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Good luck,</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Rye</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Alex &am=
p; Janet Thomson <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
ymailto=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:aljlthomson@charter.net">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>> wrote:</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Are th=
e batteries still connected to their cars? Maybe there is a slight draw on =
the TR6. Our TR6 took the whole summer off because it needs a new wiring ha=
rness. There were some wires that had let the smoke out! After I drove it i=
nto winter storage, I disconnected the ground cable and noticed that there =
was a tiny spark! Something is leaking current. Another project to do!</spa=
n></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> =
</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Alex T=
homson</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> =
</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">Triumphs [<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net=
</a>]<span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space"> </span></=
b>David Friedlander<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"yiv0724164=
122apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, December 25, 2020 3:18 PM<br=
clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b><span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space=
"> </span>New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subj=
ect:</b><span class=3D"yiv0724164122apple-converted-space"> </span>[TR=
] Battery charging</span></div>
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</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Hey all ~ Merry Christmas ...!</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">I have one float charger that serves =
both my TR3 that has an Optima red top battery and my TR6 that has a Sears =
Die Hard. Seems like even though each battery is only 2 -3 years old, the D=
ie Hard seems to need more frequent =E2=80=9Ctopping up=E2=80=9D than the O=
ptima.... Interesting....</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0724164122MsoNormal">Dave</div>
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