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Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

To: <dctr6@optonline.net>, "'Steve Kirby'" <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>, "'DAVID MASSEY'" <dave1massey@cs.com>, <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6
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Seems like it would be easy enough to run a temporary jumper, bypass =
that whole wire. That would point out a flaw somewhere along the path.

Just a thought,

Bob

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
dctr6@optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 2:47 PM
To: 'Steve Kirby'; 'DAVID MASSEY'; triumphs@autox.team.net
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

=20

Steve =E2=80=93=20

    The brown/yellow wire goes into the harness near the alternator and =
comes out near the battery.  This is a very original car, despite =
its=E2=80=99 175,000 miles, and the wiring harness has not been =
knackered in the past. We have opened up the plastic casing at the =
battery end to check the connection in there (thanks for the tip Dave =
Massey) and all looks OK but will re-check). Thanks.

Dennis=20

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From: Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:41 PM
To: dctr6@optonline.net; 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey@cs.com>; =
triumphs@autox.team.net
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

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Is it possible that the wire running from the Alternator to the Battery =
has a fusible link in it that has blown?  These are sometimes added as a =
safety feature.  Not a fuse.  A fusible link.  It looks like a regular =
wire with a bulge in it at some point.  A fusible link is designed to =
burn through when subjected to excessive voltage.  They are not =
repairable, must be replaced.  Check for continuity between both ends of =
the charging wire.

=20

Steve Kirby

President

Austin Healey Association of Southern California

Chairman

Conclave 2021

22831 Avenida Empresa

Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA

Direct:  (949) 261-8208

Fax:  (949) 767-5949

Cell:  (949) 903-0957

Skype: steve.kirby29

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www.conclave2021.com

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of =
dctr6@optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 2:32 PM
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey@cs.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

=20

Dave =E2=80=93=20

    We checked that connection and it was clean and tight.  We are STILL =
not getting any voltage from the alternator to the battery.  We walked =
through the procedure in Dan Master=E2=80=99s book 3 times and every =
time, it points to a bad alternator which I had tested and it=E2=80=99s =
putting out over 13 volts (maybe not enough but more than 12). Why =
doesn=E2=80=99t this show up at the battery?

We even tested at the back of the alternator and it only shows 12 volts =
(?).=20

Dennis=20

=20

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 5:31 PM
To: dctr6@optonline.net; triumphs@autox.team.net
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

=20

On the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series cars) the alternator output =
(brown) wire connects to the power tap on the positive battery positive =
cable with a 3/8 QC connector.  If this connector is not making good =
connection even a good alternator will not charge the battery.  Check =
that out before you spend any more money.

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

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From: dctr6@optonline.net
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2020 11:03 am
Subject: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 TR6

   Here=E2=80=99s a synopsis =E2=80=93 Almost new battery went dead. =
Charged battery and took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is not =
charging battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan Master=E2=80=99s =
book). Buy rebuilt alternator and the same thing happens.  Swap =
alternator for a second rebuilt unit =E2=80=93 same thing, battery is =
not being charged. Tried 3 different meters =E2=80=93 all showed 12 =
volts.  Hard to believe I got 2 bad rebuilt alternators.  What=E2=80=99s =
wrong??

Dennis Culligan, 1976 TR6=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Seems like it would be easy enough to run a =
temporary jumper, bypass that whole wire. That would point out a flaw =
somewhere along the path.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Just a =
thought,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dctr6@optonline.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 01, 2020 2:47 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steve Kirby'; 'DAVID MASSEY'; =
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Cc:</b> =
6pack@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Alternator not charging =
battery - 1976 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Steve =
=E2=80=93 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The brown/yellow wire goes =
into the harness near the alternator and comes out near the =
battery.&nbsp; This is a very original car, despite its=E2=80=99 175,000 =
miles, and the wiring harness has not been knackered in the past. We =
have opened up the plastic casing at the battery end to check the =
connection in there (thanks for the tip Dave Massey) and all looks OK =
but will re-check). Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dennis =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Steve Kirby &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com";>sackirby@chinaautogroup.com</=
a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:dctr6@optonline.net";>dctr6@optonline.net</a>; 'DAVID =
MASSEY' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> RE: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 =
TR6<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Is it =
possible that the wire running from the Alternator to the Battery has a =
fusible link in it that has blown?&nbsp; These are sometimes added as a =
safety feature.&nbsp; Not a fuse.&nbsp; A fusible link.&nbsp; It looks =
like a regular wire with a bulge in it at some point.&nbsp; A fusible =
link is designed to burn through when subjected to excessive =
voltage.&nbsp; They are not repairable, must be replaced.&nbsp; Check =
for continuity between both ends of the charging wire.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>Steve Kirby<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>President<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>Austin Healey Association of Southern =
California<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>Chairman<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>Conclave 2021<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>22831 Avenida Empresa<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Direct:&nbsp; (949) 261-8208<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fax:&nbsp; (949) 767-5949<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cell:&nbsp; (949) 903-0957<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Skype: steve.kirby29<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'><a =
href=3D"http://www.austin-healey.org";>www.<b>austin</b>-<b>healey</b>.org=
</a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.conclave2021.com";>www.conclave2021.com</a><o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:dctr6@optonline.net";>dctr6@optonline.net</a><br><b>Sent:</=
b> Thursday, October 1, 2020 2:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'DAVID MASSEY' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 =
TR6<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dave =
=E2=80=93 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We =
checked that connection and it was clean and tight.&nbsp; We are STILL =
not getting any voltage from the alternator to the battery.&nbsp; We =
walked through the procedure in Dan Master=E2=80=99s book 3 times and =
every time, it points to a bad alternator which I had tested and =
it=E2=80=99s putting out over 13 volts (maybe not enough but more than =
12). Why doesn=E2=80=99t this show up at the battery?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>We even tested at the back of the alternator and it =
only shows 12 volts (?). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dennis =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2020 5:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:dctr6@optonline.net";>dctr6@optonline.net</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [TR] Alternator not charging battery - 1976 =
TR6<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
n the 76 TR6 (well all the CF series cars) the alternator output (brown) =
wire connects to the power tap on the positive battery positive cable =
with a 3/8 QC connector.&nbsp; If this connector is not making good =
connection even a good alternator will not charge the battery.&nbsp; =
Check that out before you spend any more =
money.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ave </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
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href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Cc=
: <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: =
Wed, Sep 30, 2020 11:03 am<br>Subject: [TR] Alternator not charging =
battery - 1976 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3Dyiv9047746190><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Here=E2=80=99s a synopsis =E2=80=93 Almost new battery went =
dead. Charged battery and took car to shop. Meter shows alternator is =
not charging battery (only 12 volts, not 14.6 as per Dan =
Master=E2=80=99s book). Buy rebuilt alternator and the same thing =
happens.&nbsp; Swap alternator for a second rebuilt unit =E2=80=93 same =
thing, battery is not being charged. Tried 3 different meters =E2=80=93 =
all showed 12 volts. &nbsp;Hard to believe I got 2 bad rebuilt =
alternators.&nbsp; What=E2=80=99s =
wrong??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ennis Culligan, 1976 TR6 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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