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The black stuff is more likely "black beauty" or "black diamond." Stuff is =
"slag" which is a left over by-product from iron ore, steel, and metal proc=
essing and burning coal. Supposed to be relatively "inert" since it doesn'=
t contain any sand or silica. It MAY containSome heavy metals though. It i=
s not coal ash which is VERY nasty and acidic. Used to be able to buy it at=
Tractor Supply. Comes in several grits.
Wipe down real good after blasting.
Eastwood products also sells 'After Blast' which prevents flash rust from f=
orming. I then used epoxy primer over it and it sticks really well given th=
e somewhat tougher surface from blasting. You don't get that same "tooth" u=
sing paint stripper. They say you can use it under powder coating too but=
never tried that.
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of dave <dave@ra=
nteer.com>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:03 AM
To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting
That black media he used was likely ground up lava. I have used that and i=
ts not as aggressive as sand.
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingsto=
n
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>
Cc: Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting
My nephew started his own company of mobile power cleaning. He bought this=
serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, and he=
could power clean with all kinds of media depending on the application, an=
d he also had hot water blasting. He did all kinds of jobs, from vintage c=
ars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in San Francisco for both =
graffiti to human waste. And if that wasn't gross enough, he said one of t=
he worst was a Chinese restaurant that got sited and fined every day for gr=
ease oozing out of the cinder black and concrete enclosure for their dumpst=
er. One of his easiest jobs was my 8' long utility trailer.
In all those situations, a mobile service like his, they will capture and c=
lean up the media and waste, big vacuum system. For that Chinese restaurant=
he put out dams to channel the water and goo and were vacuuming up all tha=
t grease and hot water, very gross.
At my house he used an inert material, but it was not sand. It was some so=
rt of black material that looked like shards of coal. I've texted him to f=
ind out what it was.
As was mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of "learning" ca=
rs that were not vintage. The trick was to learn not to let the hood, or a=
ny long body panel, get hot and warp. So check for references to make sure=
who you hire has that experience. After he learned he did several cars in=
cluding BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.
When he did this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls, gl=
oves and boots. No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a hot swe=
aty mess when he took that helmet off.
I live in a cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was ju=
st a little bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get cleaned=
up, so again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all that behind.
He also had a "rust inhibitor" he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't ge=
t a quick flash rust overnight. Google that for details. I was able to pai=
nt over that no problem. I bought a gallon of black Rust-Oleum paint and r=
epainted it myself and it's like a new trailer.
Good luck,
Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE
e@comcast.net>> wrote:
Back in '08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local powder =
coating company. $300 each. They blasted every square inch with crushed g=
arnet. The tub was stripped of every bolt-on part. In two different visit=
s, I set up both items on my makeshift engine stand rotisserie, with custom=
attachments, to make it a lot easier for them and the best outcome. Worth=
every penny and more.
Skip this part if you can and have a company do this work. You might even =
consider a mobile unit come to you. Different media can be used depending =
on paint or rust. Special care has to be taken on body parts, not to warp =
them, but if the person has a little finesse, any harm can be avoided.
The important part of good blasting is high CFM from the compressor. If yo=
u don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too long.
Dave H.
il.com>> wrote:
I stripped a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't remember how many eve=
nings after work, using several gallons of paint stripper bought at closeou=
t tool store, saying never again and wishing I had a sandblaster.
Be careful what you wish for I guess.
Greg Lemon
TR250
fishplate@gmail.com>> wrote:
porter@dfn.com>> wrote:
Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (The New Science of Strong Materials) rem=
ark about production welding: "Welding is like Hell--fun for the first thr=
ee or four hours."
There was a time when I couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton picker=
at work. It got old kind of quick...But it still beat a day in the office=
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<div>The black stuff is more likely “black beauty” or “bl=
ack diamond.” Stuff is “slag” which is a left over by-pro=
duct from iron ore, steel, and metal processing and burning coal. Sup=
posed to be relatively “inert” since it doesn’t contain a=
ny sand or silica.
It MAY containSome heavy metals though. It is not coal ash which is =
VERY nasty and acidic. Used to be able to buy it at Tractor Supply. Comes i=
n several grits. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wipe down real good after blasting. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Eastwood products also sells ‘After Blast’ which prevents =
flash rust from forming. I then used epoxy primer over it and it sticks rea=
lly well given the somewhat tougher surface from blasting. You don’t =
get that same “tooth” using paint stripper. They
say you can use it under powder coating too but never tried that. </d=
iv>
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-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of dave <dave@ranteer.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 11:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] sandblasting</font>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">That black media he used was likely ground up lava=
. I have used that and its not as aggressive as sand.
</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Rye Livingston<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) <triumphs@autox.team.net&g=
t;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] sandblasting</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">My nephew started his own company of mobile power =
cleaning. He bought this serious diesel powered professional duel axl=
e trailer rig in Texas, and he could power clean with all kinds of media de=
pending on the application, and he also
had hot water blasting. He did all kinds of jobs, from vintage cars,=
boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in San Francisco for both graf=
fiti to human waste. And if that wasn't gross enough, he said one of =
the worst was a Chinese restaurant that got
sited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder black and co=
ncrete enclosure for their dumpster. One of his easiest jobs was my 8=
' long utility trailer.</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">In all those situations, a mobile service lik=
e his, they will capture and clean up the media and waste, big va=
cuum system. For that Chinese restaurant he put out dams to channel the wat=
er and goo and were vacuuming up all that grease
and hot water, very gross. </p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">At my house he used an inert material, but it was =
not sand. It was some sort of black material that looked like shards =
of coal. I've texted him to find out what it was.</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">As was mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he=
had a couple of "learning" cars that were not vintage. The=
trick was to learn not to let the hood, or any long body panel, get&n=
bsp;hot and warp. So check for references to make sure who you
hire has that experience. After he learned he did several cars inclu=
ding BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">When he did this work, he had a full helmet respir=
ator setup, coveralls, gloves and boots. No media got where he didn't=
want it, but he was a hot sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I live in a cul-de-sac and he did the blasting dow=
n there, and there was just a little bit of media that was under the traile=
r that didn't get cleaned up, so again, a mobile service has a process to n=
ot leave all that behind.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">He also had a "rust inhibitor" he spraye=
d on the bare metal so it didn't get a quick flash rust overnight. Go=
ogle that for details. I was able to paint over that no problem. I bo=
ught a gallon of black Rust-Oleum paint and repainted
it myself and it's like a new trailer.</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Good luck,</p>
</div>
<div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Rye<br>
PH: 530-FIND-RYE</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE <<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comc=
ast.net">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt; margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#333333">Back in '08-'09, I had my TR3 b=
ody tub and frame blasted at a local powder coating company. $300 eac=
h. They blasted every square inch with crushed garnet.
The tub was stripped of every bolt-on part. In two different visits,=
I set up both items on my makeshift engine stand rotisserie, with custom a=
ttachments, to make it a lot easier for them and the best outcome. Wo=
rth every penny and more.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#333333">Skip this part if you can and h=
ave a company do this work. You might even consider a mobile unit com=
e to you. Different media can be used depending on
paint or rust. Special care has to be taken on body parts, not to wa=
rp them, but if the person has a little finesse, any harm can be avoided.</=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#333333">The important part of good blas=
ting is high CFM from the compressor. If you don't have enough CFM, y=
ou'll be working way too hard for way too long. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#333333">Dave H.</span></p>
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;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#333333"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On April 23, 2020 a=
t 8:25 PM Greg Lemon <<a href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.c=
om</a>> wrote:
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I stripped a TR4 years ago over the course of I do=
n't remember how many evenings after work, using several gallons of paint s=
tripper bought at closeout tool store, saying never again and wishing I had=
a sandblaster. </p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Be careful what you wish for I guess.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Greg Lemon</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">TR250</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough <=
<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";>
fishplate@gmail.com</a>> wrote: </p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter <=
; <a href=3D"mailto:mdporter@dfn.com";>
mdporter@dfn.com</a>> wrote: </p>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt; margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p>Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (<em><span style=3D"font-family:"=
Calibri",sans-serif">The New Science of Strong Materials</span></em>) =
remark about production welding: "Welding is like Hell--fun for =
the first three or four hours."</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">There was a time when I couldn't wait to learn how=
to run the cotton picker at work. It got old kind of quick...But it =
still beat a day in the office in front of the computer.</p>
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