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And, to belabor the point to a fare thee well, I have roll-started old, =
generator equipped trucks that had either completely dead or even no =
batteries. The residual magnetism in the fields of an old generator can =
produce sufficient charging voltage to provide ignition current. Not so =
with alternators!
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But it is true that =E2=80=9Cdead=E2=80=9D batteries can recover =
sufficiently to feed the coil. And thinking of driving techniques, =
parking a vehicle anticipating how it should be positioned for easy =
starting is sort of like anticipating how you will turn around when =
driving an empty, 2WD pickup when there is snow on the ground!
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Alex Thomson
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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don =
Hiscock
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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I've had cars in the past, Randall, where I'd choose the shutoff point =
so it was pointed a bit downhill when I got back to it. We don't need =
no stinkin' starter motors!
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:57 AM Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would=20
> need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.
True, but very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left =
the
lights on). With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), the engine =
will
still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery discharged below the
point where it's normally considered "dead". Lead acid batteries even
recover (just a little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running =
when
you got home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the =
plugs
the next morning.
But when I used to fight with the lack of generator capacity, many years
ago, I didn't own a hand crank. So I got adept at push-starting the car =
by
myself. Probably couldn't do it today, though.
-- Randall
** triumphs@autox.team.net **
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And, to =
belabor the point to a fare thee well, I have roll-started old, =
generator equipped trucks that had either completely dead or even no =
batteries. The residual magnetism in the fields of an old generator can =
produce sufficient charging voltage to provide ignition current. Not so =
with alternators!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But it is =
true that =E2=80=9Cdead=E2=80=9D batteries can recover sufficiently to =
feed the coil. And thinking of driving techniques, parking a vehicle =
anticipating how it should be positioned for easy starting is sort of =
like anticipating how you will turn around when driving an empty, 2WD =
pickup when there is snow on the ground!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Don Hiscock<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:00 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Randall<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Clear/Amber Fog<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I've =
had cars in the past, Randall, where I'd choose the shutoff point so it =
was pointed a bit downhill when I got back to it. We don't need no =
stinkin' starter motors!<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:57 AM Randall <<a =
href=3D"mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com";>TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>> =
You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would <br>> need =
magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.<br><br>True, but =
very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left =
the<br>lights on). With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), =
the engine will<br>still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery =
discharged below the<br>point where it's normally considered =
"dead". Lead acid batteries even<br>recover (just a =
little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running when<br>you got =
home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the plugs<br>the =
next morning.<br><br>But when I used to fight with the lack of generator =
capacity, many years<br>ago, I didn't own a hand crank. So I got =
adept at push-starting the car by<br>myself. Probably couldn't do =
it today, though.<br><br>-- Randall<br><br>** <a =
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