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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice on Road Springs
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 12:20:23 -0500
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Type of shock oil will definitely make a difference.  I believe (but =
could be wrong) that standard shock oil is 20w?  years ago I had a car =
where the shocks were shot.  I put 90 wt gear oil in just for grins.  =
Suspension was rock hard until it leaked out again.

=20

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID =
MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:58 AM
To: terryrs@comcast.net; gdhuggins@genfiniti.com; =
triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice on Road Springs

=20

I did not try changing the fluid that was put in by the rebuilder.  It =
was probably standard fork oil.  A heavier oil may have made the =
difference but I never got a roundtuit.

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice on Road Springs

Hi, Dave.  Just curious.  What was the fluid you ran in the rebuilt =
shocks that didn't dampen as well as you'd like?  And what do you =
recommend?  (I've been using Harley fork fluid, seems to work fine =
enough but maybe could be better.)

On September 2, 2019 at 6:26 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com =

I agree with Mark and Jerry.  Since you have shocks on order put those =
in first and then make a determination as to whether you need new =
springs or not.

=20

BTW, I sent off a set of shocks to Apple for the "Heavy Duty" rebuild =
and was quite disappointed in the result.  The damping was inadequate.  =
This was many years ago and they may have sorted this out since then.  I =
have more recently (like last year) had a pair (may have been the same =
pair) reworked by World Wide Auto Parts in Madison =
(http://www.nosimport.com/) with much better results.  Peter up there =
knows Triumphs.=20

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----=20
From: G.D. Huggins <gdhuggins@genfiniti.com =
To: Triumph Mailing List <triumphs@autox.team.net =
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 9:45 pm=20
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice on Road Springs=20

All,=20

=20

After almost eight years of driving bliss, with just under 18K miles, =
it's time to replace what I suspect are the original road springs.=20

The car has gotten way too bouncy, especially in the rear.  Take a curve =
on a rough road, and it rear steers something awful. losing its contact =
with the road, as if the spring is not forcing the wheel back down =
quickly enough.=20

As far as shocks go, I=E2=80=99ve got Spax adjustable up front, and just =
ordered some heavy duty Armstrongs from Apple Hydraulics for the rear.=20

=20

I=E2=80=99ve gotten into some research, and everything seems to be =
pointing toward three grades of stiffness; original, uprated and =
competition.=20

I am leaning toward the =E2=80=9Cuprated=E2=80=9D variety to stiffen the =
ride, but I want to keep stock height to not effect wheel camber.=20

=20

Any experienced-based suggestions?=20

=20

Thanks in advance.=20

=20

=20

Cheers,=20

=20

Guy D. Huggins=20

1965 Triumph TR4A=20

CTC 63569LO=20

=20

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph=20

=20

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Type of shock oil will definitely make a =
difference.=C2=A0 I believe (but could be wrong) that standard shock oil =
is 20w?=C2=A0 years ago I had a car where the shocks were shot.=C2=A0 I =
put 90 wt gear oil in just for grins.=C2=A0 Suspension was rock hard =
until it leaked out again.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>DAVID MASSEY<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:58 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> terryrs@comcast.net; gdhuggins@genfiniti.com; =
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice =
on Road Springs<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
did not try changing the fluid that was put in by the rebuilder.&nbsp; =
It was probably standard fork oil.&nbsp; A heavier oil may have made the =
difference but I never got a =
roundtuit.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: TERRY SMITH &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net";>terryrs@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br>To: =
DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;; gdhuggins =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gdhuggins@genfiniti.com";>gdhuggins@genfiniti.com</a>&gt;; =
triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<b=
r>Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:32 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice =
on Road Springs<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3Dyiv2677713931><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Hi, Dave.&nbsp; Just curious.&nbsp; What was the fluid you ran in the =
rebuilt shocks that didn't dampen as well as you'd like?&nbsp; And what =
do you recommend?&nbsp; (I've been using Harley fork fluid, seems to =
work fine enough but maybe could be =
better.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
September 2, 2019 at 6:26 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv2677713931yqt62938><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
agree with Mark and Jerry.&nbsp; Since you have shocks on order put =
those in first and then make a determination as to whether you need new =
springs or not.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>BTW=
, I sent off a set of shocks to Apple for the &quot;Heavy Duty&quot; =
rebuild and was quite disappointed in the result.&nbsp; The damping was =
inadequate.&nbsp; This was many years ago and they may have sorted this =
out since then.&nbsp; I have more recently (like last year) had a pair =
(may have been the same pair) reworked by World Wide Auto Parts in =
Madison (<a =
href=3D"http://www.nosimport.com/";>http://www.nosimport.com/</a>) with =
much better results.&nbsp; Peter up there knows Triumphs.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message----- <br>From: G.D. Huggins &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gdhuggins@genfiniti.com";>gdhuggins@genfiniti.com</a>&gt; =
<br>To: Triumph Mailing List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
<br>Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 9:45 pm <br>Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need Advice =
on Road Springs <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>All=
, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Aft=
er almost eight years of driving bliss, with just under 18K miles, it's =
time to replace what I suspect are the original road springs. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 car has gotten way too bouncy, especially in the rear.&nbsp; Take a =
curve on a rough road, and it rear steers something awful. losing its =
contact with the road, as if the spring is not forcing the wheel back =
down quickly enough. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As =
far as shocks go, I=E2=80=99ve got Spax adjustable up front, and just =
ordered some heavy duty Armstrongs from Apple Hydraulics for the rear. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I=E2=
=80=99ve gotten into some research, and everything seems to be pointing =
toward three grades of stiffness; original, uprated and competition. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
am leaning toward the =E2=80=9Cuprated=E2=80=9D variety to stiffen the =
ride, but I want to keep stock height to not effect wheel camber. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Any=
 experienced-based suggestions? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tha=
nks in advance. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
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p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
ers, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Guy=
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