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Disregard the speedo comment on my last post. Too many TRs on the brain
this past week (3,4 and 6) volt stabilizer not on speedo on 4. Its up in
the passenger footwell. Thanks all. New one on order and hopefully that's
it. Appreciate everyone's patience and support. jim
From: Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas <etd@psu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:18 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>; 'Randall' <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>;
'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage
stabilizer.
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:40:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
Thanks all for the feedback. I'm heading out this afternoon for some
tinkering. I didn't mention this since I didn't think related, but the temp
gauge is also not working, and didn't realize it might be the voltage
stabilizer unit. Hmmmnn.
Jim Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and
ground the wire while watching the gauge. If the gauge starts to climb
towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK. Probably best
to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won't hurt.
My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the
grounding for the sender. IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not
very well. I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one
of the tank mounting bolts.
Use an ohmmeter to check the sender. I don't recall the exact numbers
offhand, but it's something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full. If it
seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full),
you've got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.
Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn't work. Do
the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it. If temp gauge
doesn't respond either, it's probably the voltage stabilizer. Seems like
maybe it's mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I
don't recall for sure.
-- Randall
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Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again. Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL. 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.
Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after. Car is switched to
neg ground. Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank. Removed it and
verified there is gas in it. Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig
part. Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises. The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on. I even used
a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
ignition on but needle still didn't work. Ignition in "On" position, but
not running.
My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground. Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground.
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive
to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad
Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow. Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally. I am trying to help the family find a home
for it. Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.
Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
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class=3DMsoNormal>Disregard the speedo comment on my last post. =
Too many TRs on the brain this past week (3,4 and 6) volt =
stabilizer not on speedo on 4. Its up in the passenger =
footwell. Thanks all. New one on order and hopefully =
that’s it. Appreciate everyone’s patience and support. =
jim<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas =
<etd@psu.edu> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:18 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>; 'Randall' =
<tr3driver@ca.rr.com>; 'Triumphs' =
<triumphs@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Fuel gauge =
troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If you changed to =
negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage =
stabilizer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>> on behalf of Jim Henningsen <<a =
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b> Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:40:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Randall' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com";>tr3driver@ca.rr.com</a>>; =
'Triumphs' <<a =
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r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks all for the feedback. I’m heading =
out this afternoon for some tinkering. I didn’t mention this =
since I didn’t think related, but the temp gauge is also not =
working, and didn’t realize it might be the voltage stabilizer =
unit. Hmmmnn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Henningsen =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Randall <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com";>tr3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim =
Henningsen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com";>trguy75@gmail.com</a>>; 'Triumphs' =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Fuel gauge =
troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Quick and =
dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and =
ground the wire while watching the gauge. If the gauge starts to =
climb towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably =
OK. Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few =
minutes won’t hurt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My next =
suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the =
grounding for the sender. IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, =
meaning not very well. I like to add a ground wire from the stud =
on the sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Use an =
ohmmeter to check the sender. I don’t recall the exact =
numbers offhand, but it’s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 =
ohms full. If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and =
high resistance full), you’ve got a TR3 sender instead of =
TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test =
above doesn’t work. Do the same thing, pull the wire off the =
sender and ground it. If temp gauge doesn’t respond either, =
it’s probably the voltage stabilizer. Seems like maybe =
it’s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly =
I don’t recall for sure.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
Randall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
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</b>Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
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</b>[TR] Fuel gauge troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Help, I'm =
calling the TR bat phone again. Switching projects to get my =
car<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ready for AACC southeastern fall =
nationals on Mobile AL. 1962 TR4 CT5212LO.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not =
after. Car is switched to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>neg =
ground. Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank. Removed it =
and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>verified there is gas in =
it. Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since =
orig<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>part. Put in a new sending =
unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>of gas and it still doesn't work but float =
rises. The needle moved ever so<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>slightly right above E then dropped back down with =
ignition on. I even used<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>a coat =
hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" =
with<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ignition on but needle still =
didn't work. Ignition in "On" position, =
but<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>not running. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>1. Bad =
gauge?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>2. Wires reversed on fuel =
gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>original positive ground. Running generator that =
has been polarized to neg<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>ground. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>3. =
connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and =
positive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>to pos on sending =
unit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>4. new sender =
bad<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going =
through the list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>tomorrow. =
Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with =
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owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>member, it is for sale in Tally. I am trying to =
help the family find a home<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>for =
it. Email me offline if you would like pics and contact =
info.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim =
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