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Thank you Glenn, as I get a little farther down the road I may take you up o=
n those pictures. =20
=46rom all the comments this seems like a very doable install.=20
Cheers,
Bill
On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Glenn A. Merrell <controls@freelanceconsulting.=
net> wrote:
Bill,
=20
When I did my Stag on my Rover V8, I converted from the York Borg Warner pis=
ton compressor to a rotary. I think I used a 5 cubic inch rotary which uses=
about 2 hp compared to the York consumes almost 20 hp.
I used the stock evaporator box in the stag, stock expansion valve on the ev=
aporator, but converted to new barrier hoses and O ring seals.
There are adapters to go from the Expansion valve compression connection to O=
ring seal type. I also replaced the Condenser and dryer rated for 134A th=
at all used O ring type connections.
=20
It was difficult, and after following the online advice of Vintage Air I fou=
nd an automotive AC supplier locally and sourced all the hose and connectors=
and provided all the rest of the information I needed.
=20
Then I measured and fit each hoses in their location,, marked the orientatio=
ns on the hoes and connectors, took the connectors and hoses back to the su=
pplier who swaged the connections to the new barrier hose for free since I b=
ought the hose and connectors from them.
=20
Vintage Air sells a wide range of adapter brackets, even an adapter bracket f=
or the Stag York aluminum Bracket, but I found it was a stronger and less c=
ost solution to have a bracket custom fabricated from 3/8 steel plate to hol=
d the new rotary compressor after looking at the various brackets available o=
nline.
=20
I might have some photos, I=E2=80=99ll try to locate those.
Cheers!
=20
Glenn Merrell=20
+1 (303) 817-8559 mobile
aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)
Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips=
in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional=
smell of manure!=E2=80=9D
=20
=20
=20
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Be=
echer
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:45 PM
To: Glenn Merrell
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; Frank Magnusson
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
=20
Yes, I have heard good things about Vintage Air. They have several combinati=
ons of equipment, has anyone installed one of their systems? If so which on=
e? =20
=20
I will also give them a call and see what they recommend. =20
=20
Thanks to all who responded. =20
=20
Best,
Bill
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On Jul 7, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Glenn Merrell <controls@freelanceconsulting.net>=
wrote:
In the USA, try Vintage Aire for systems, parts and design support.
Glenn A. Merrell, CAP
ISA Certified Automation Professional
=20
On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 2:50 PM -0600, "david hammond" <dbh97530@gmail.com> w=
rote:
Are there anybody out there who sells a conversion kit to put a rover v 8 in=
to a stag?
David
=20
Sent from my iPhone
=20
> On Jul 7, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Frank Magnusson wrote:
>=20
> Hi Bill,
>=20
> All good questions.
>=20
> Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C. I don't recall the manufacturer but its=
straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get. If a Stag doesn't=
have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough to fit either an original=
unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier. When I got my Stag, alot o=
f the a/c system was missing, but I was able to find all of the parts either=
new or used and get it operational. It works well and blows ice cold air.
>=20
> Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you are aware o=
f the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine. Two main pro=
blems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exacerbated by some=
poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are careful who you bu=
y from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine. But, timing cha=
ins dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them more often than you=
'd think.
>=20
> One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or manual w=
ith overdrive. There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes similar t=
o TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.
>=20
> There are some engine conversions to a Rover V8, which fixes all of those i=
ssues; just depends what you want. TR8 V8 conversion also.
>=20
> Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns h=
eads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.
>=20
> Hope this helps,
> Frank
> '72 Stag
>=20
>=20
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote:
>>=20
>> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning=
.
>> Can AC be efficiently installed? =20
>>=20
>> I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of year=
s,
>> is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early=
>> car? =20
>>=20
>> After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would b=
e
>> greatly appreciated.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Best,
>>=20
>> Bill B
>>=20
>> TS30800L
>=20
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iv><div dir=3D"ltr">=46rom all the comments this seems like a very doable in=
stall. </div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Glen=
n A. Merrell <<a href=3D"mailto:controls@freelanceconsulting.net";>control=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&qu=
ot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bill, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&=
quot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">When I did my Stag on my Rover V8, I co=
nverted from the York Borg Warner piston compressor to a rotary. I thi=
nk I used a 5 cubic inch rotary which uses about 2 hp compared to the York c=
onsumes almost 20 hp.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:#1F497D">I used the stock evaporator box in the stag, stock expansion=
valve on the evaporator, but converted to new barrier hoses and O ring seal=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The=
re are adapters to go from the Expansion valve compression connection to O r=
ing seal type. I also replaced the Condenser and dryer rated for 134A&=
nbsp; that all used O ring type connections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It was difficult, and after following t=
he online advice of Vintage Air I found an automotive AC supplier locally an=
d sourced all the hose and connectors and provided all the rest of the infor=
mation I needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D">Then I measured and fit each hoses in their location,, marked th=
e orientations on the hoes and connectors, took the connectors and hos=
es back to the supplier who swaged the connections to the new barrier hose f=
or free since I bought the hose and connectors from them.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vintage Air sells a wid=
e range of adapter brackets, even an adapter bracket for the Stag York alumi=
num Bracket, but I found it was a stronger and less cost solution to h=
ave a bracket custom fabricated from 3/8 steel plate to hold the new rotary c=
ompressor after looking at the various brackets available online.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I might have so=
me photos, I=E2=80=99ll try to locate those.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Glenn Merrell <o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">+1 (303) 817-8559 mobil=
e<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">aka S=
tagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies a=
re: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the wi=
ndscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D=
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or:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;b=
order-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:tr=
iumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <=
b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Beecher<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2019 10:45 P=
M<br><b>To:</b> Glenn Merrell<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox=
.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>; Frank Magnusson<br><b>Subject:</b> R=
e: [TR] Stag, rover v 8<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, I have heard good thing=
s about Vintage Air. They have several combinations of equipment, has anyone=
installed one of their systems? If so which one? <o:p></o=
:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">I will also give them a call and see what they recommend. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to all who responded. <o:p></o:p></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bill<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent f=
rom my DynaTAC 8000X<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 7, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Glenn Merrell <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:controls@freelanceconsulting.net";>controls@freelanceconsulting=
.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In the USA, try Vintage Ai=
re for systems, parts and design support.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Glenn A. Merrell, CAP<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">ISA C=
ertified Automation Professional<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 2:50 P=
M -0600, "david hammond" <<a href=3D"mailto:dbh97530@gmail.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">dbh97530@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><pre>Are there=
anybody out there who sells a conversion kit to put a rover v 8 into a stag=
?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>David<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pr=
e>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> O=
n Jul 7, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Frank Magnusson wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pr=
e>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></=
o:p></pre><pre>> All good questions.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p=
></pre><pre>> Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C. I don't recall the m=
anufacturer but its straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get.=
If a Stag doesn't have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough t=
o fit either an original unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier.&nb=
sp; When I got my Stag, alot of the a/c system was missing, but I was able t=
o find all of the parts either new or used and get it operational. It w=
orks well and blows ice cold air.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre=
><pre>> Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you a=
re aware of the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine.&nbs=
p; Two main problems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exac=
erbated by some poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are car=
eful who you buy from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine.&n=
bsp; But, timing chains dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them=
more often than you'd think.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pr=
e>> One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or man=
ual with overdrive. There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes=
similar to TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.<o:p></o:p></pr=
e><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> There are some engine conversions to a=
Rover V8, which fixes all of those issues; just depends what you want. =
; TR8 V8 conversion also.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>&g=
t; Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns h=
eads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.<o:p></o:=
p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></pr=
e><pre>> Frank<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> '72 Stag<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>&g=
t; <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> On Jul 7, 2019,=
at 1:00 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-request@autox.team.net";>triumphs-req=
uest@autox.team.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pr=
e><pre>>> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air=
conditioning.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Can AC be efficiently installed=
? <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I reme=
mber the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,<o:p></=
o:p></pre><pre>>> is there a way to see if the remediation was perform=
ed if I find an early<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> car? <o:p></o:p></=
pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> After what year might I be s=
afe in trusting the original engine is OK?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:=
p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre>=
<pre>>> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-educa=
tion would be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p><=
/pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>=
> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Best,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p=
></o:p></pre><pre>>> Bill B<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p><=
/pre><pre>>> TS30800L<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>=
> ** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</=
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