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Re: [TR] OD Transmission problem - suggestions?

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Subject: Re: [TR] OD Transmission problem - suggestions?
From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
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As I thought, this is way over my head. =C2=A0It's on a 1960 TR3. =C2=A0LH=
, A, D, J - I don't know.=0A=0AI was told speck is 450 psi and it's at spe=
c, other than that, again, I don't know.=0A=0AAs for the clutch in the OD,=
 he said they checked it and it's not slipping. =C2=A0Other than that, I d=
on't know.=0A=0AI was told to run 90w, that's what's in it.=0A=0AI'll pass=
 on the rest of this to British Motorsports as they will be diagnosing the=
 problem, and you may be talking about something they haven't tried.=0A=0A=
I appreciate the feedback.=0A=0ARye=0A=0A=0ARye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0AOn=
 May 18, 2016, at 12:46 PM, ptegler <ptegler@verizon.net> wrote:=0A=0Awhic=
h O/D?=C2=A0 (LH, A, D, J?)=0A400lbs is not 'high'.... spec vs what works =
best vary ...let alone what actually works correctly vs the condition of t=
he springs=0AAt a minimum on j types.... unless you have it under full loa=
d there is no way to validate the Annulus clutch (outer ring of the planet=
ary gear assy) is not slipping.=0ANot slipping in to O/D I'd look at oil l=
evel and viscosity. Some say 80-90 Castrol Hypoy (servie manual) many rebu=
ilders switch to non-detergent straight 30WT. BOTH are very close to the s=
ame viscosity, its the additives that are different. I've seen synthetic w=
ork great, and have seen disasters using syn.=C2=A0 PAYOR .=C2=A0=C2=A0 wh=
en I put one together (10? 15 now?) , I usually will use 90wt (as my user =
manual specs) DO NOT use the 'smelly' stuff...the sulphur will eat the yel=
low metal.=0AInterlock switch on top? first place I'd check. Only takes a =
little flex to have the lever NOT flip the interlock switch correctly.....=
.=0AIn most cases (if installed) simply removing the fiber washer between =
switch and case (no fear it won't leak), will extend the push button tip f=
ar enough into the case to activate correctly. Often the washer is too thi=
ck, so push button throw position is slightly off, and even the button tip=
 worn down so it does not activate as designed.=0AAlso clean and dielectri=
c grease every elec connection in the path (while you're in there.)=0Apteg=
ler=0A=0AOn 5/18/2016 12:44 PM, Rye Livingston wrote:=0AMy rebuilt engine,=
 now with Hastings Rings, is running great. =C2=A0This past weekend, the T=
riumph Travelers had a North County drive up around Sonoma, along the coas=
t through Tamales Bay, Bodega Bay and all around. =C2=A0440 miles over two=
 days.=0A=0ANow the problem=0AWhen I rebuilt the engine I also purchased a=
n OD transmission and had it rebuilt. =C2=A0I think I wrote about this bef=
ore so I apologize, but I'm dropping off my car with British Motorsports l=
ater today, who rebuilt the transmission, and they are going to try and fi=
gure out the problem.=0A=0ASince day one, it will shift into OD only when =
letting up on the gas or coasting. =C2=A0If I'm accelerating it will not s=
hift into OD until I let up on the gas. =C2=A0Once in OD and am cruising a=
long, especially in 2nd or 3rd gear, if I punch it, it will drop out of OD=
 just like an automatic transmission. =C2=A0Then when I let up, it will sh=
ift back into OD. =C2=A0Obviously doing this under increased load or torqu=
e. =C2=A0It will also do it in 4th gear, just not as easily. =C2=A0, just =
not as easily. =C2=A0When getting to a hill and I start to accelerate quit=
e a bit, it will downshift out of OD. =C2=A0Then crest the hill and let up=
, and it will shift back into OD.=0A=0AA few weeks ago I dropped the car o=
ff with British Motorsports so they could diagnose the problem and the hyd=
raulic pump is over 400psi, the clutch is not slipping, the solenoids are =
working fine.=0A=0AI know there will be a lot of suggestions which I plan =
to forward the emails to them, and am hoping there will be something they =
haven't checked yet.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARye=0A=0APS: For those of you who a=
re at all curious, we had 16 Triumphs on the drive. =C2=A0Here is a link t=
o the photos I took.=0Ahttps://share.shutterfly.com/share/received/welcome=
.sfly?fid=3Db94161b565006033&sid=3D0QaNmjFs2aMVFXs=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A** tri=
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<html><body><div>As I thought, this is way over my head. &nbsp;It's on a 1960 
TR3. &nb=
sp;LH, A, D, J - I don't know.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><d=
iv>I was told speck is 450 psi and it's at spec, other than that, again, I=
 don't know.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>As for the clut=
ch in the OD, he said they checked it and it's not slipping. &nbsp;Other t=
han that, I don't know.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>I wa=
s told to run 90w, that's what's in it.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"=
></div><div>I'll pass on the rest of this to British Motorsports as they w=
ill be diagnosing the problem, and you may be talking about something they=
 haven't tried.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>I appreciate=
 the feedback.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Rye</div><div=
><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div c=
lass=3D"x-apple-signature"><pre style=3D"font-family: 'SFNSText','Helvetic=
a Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap; wo=
rd-wrap: break-word;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'SFNSText','Helvetica=
 Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap; wor=
d-wrap: break-word;">Rye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE</pre></div><div><br>On May 18,=
 2016, at 12:46 PM, ptegler &lt;ptegler@verizon.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></di=
v><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote" bgcolor=3D"#FFFF=
FF" text=3D"#000000"><p>which O/D?&nbsp; (LH, A, D, J?)</p><p>400lbs is no=
t 'high'.... spec vs what works best vary ...let alone what actually works=
 correctly vs the condition of the springs<br></p><p>At a minimum on j typ=
es.... unless you have it under full load there is no way to validate the =
Annulus clutch (outer ring of the planetary gear assy) is not slipping.</p=
><p>Not slipping in to O/D I'd look at oil level and viscosity. Some say 8=
0-90 Castrol Hypoy (servie manual) many rebuilders switch to non-detergent=
 straight 30WT. BOTH are very close to the same viscosity, its the additiv=
es that are different. I've seen synthetic work great, and have seen disas=
ters using syn.&nbsp; PAYOR .&nbsp;&nbsp; when I put one together (10? 15 =
now?) , I usually will use 90wt (as my user manual specs) DO NOT use the '=
smelly' stuff...the sulphur will eat the yellow metal.<br></p><p>Interlock=
 switch on top? first place I'd check. Only takes a little flex to have th=
e lever NOT flip the interlock switch correctly......</p><p>In most cases =
(if installed) simply removing the fiber washer between switch and case (n=
o fear it won't leak), will extend the push button tip far enough into the=
 case to activate correctly. Often the washer is too thick, so push button=
 throw position is slightly off, and even the button tip worn down so it d=
oes not activate as designed.</p><p>Also clean and dielectric grease every=
 elec connection in the path (while you're in there.)</p><p>ptegler<br></p=
><br><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2016 12:44 PM, Rye Livingston =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>My rebuilt engine, now with=
 Hastings Rings, is running great. &nbsp;This past weekend, the Triumph Tr=
avelers had a North County drive up around Sonoma, along the coast through=
 Tamales Bay, Bodega Bay and all around. &nbsp;440 miles over two days.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Now the problem</div><div>When I rebuilt the engine=
 I also purchased an OD transmission and had it rebuilt. &nbsp;I think I w=
rote about this before so I apologize, but I'm dropping off my car with Br=
itish Motorsports later today, who rebuilt the transmission, and they are =
going to try and figure out the problem.</div><div><br></div><div>Since da=
y one, it will shift into OD only when letting up on the gas or coasting. =
&nbsp;If I'm accelerating it will not shift into OD until I let up on the =
gas. &nbsp;Once in OD and am cruising along, especially in 2nd or 3rd gear=
, if I punch it, it will drop out of OD just like an automatic transmissio=
n. &nbsp;Then when I let up, it will shift back into OD. &nbsp;Obviously d=
oing this under increased load or torque. &nbsp;It will also do it in 4th =
gear, just not as easily. &nbsp;, just not as easily. &nbsp;When getting t=
o a hill and I start to accelerate quite a bit, it will downshift out of O=
D. &nbsp;Then crest the hill and let up, and it will shift back into OD.</=
div><div><br></div><div>A few weeks ago I dropped the car off with British=
 Motorsports so they could diagnose the problem and the hydraulic pump is =
over 400psi, the clutch is not slipping, the solenoids are working fine.</=
div><div><br></div><div>I know there will be a lot of suggestions which I =
plan to forward the emails to them, and am hoping there will be something =
they haven't checked yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Rye</div><div><br></div><div>PS: For those of you who are at all=
 curious, we had 16 Triumphs on the drive. &nbsp;Here is a link to the pho=
tos I took.</div><div><a href=3D"https://share.shutterfly.com/share/receiv=
ed/welcome.sfly?fid=3Db94161b565006033&amp;sid=3D0QaNmjFs2aMVFXs" data-mce=
-href=3D"https://share.shutterfly.com/share/received/welcome.sfly?fid=3Db9=
4161b565006033&amp;sid=3D0QaNmjFs2aMVFXs">https://share.shutterfly.com/sha=
re/received/welcome.sfly?fid=3Db94161b565006033&amp;sid=3D0QaNmjFs2aMVFXs<=
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