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It's not just the increased weight, but in some case, not EVEN increased
weight.
First, compare a Camry to something comparable for it's day (say a '50s
Ford Fairlane) and you will see the Camry comes in a few hundred pounds
lighter. Not really fair to compare a modern family sedan (even a compact)
to a sports car of any vintage.
The other big difference is the performance of the motor for the given
mileage. The Camry I-4 (circa 2012) will do 0-60 in 8.4 secs making about
178hp from 2.5l. The TR3 made a (reported) 10 second 0-60 on 100hp from
the 2.2 motor in a package weighing 1000lbs less. So you do get something
for all that fancy new fangled tech.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Joe Burlein <floridatr6@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I think you hit it on the head with weight. Air con, door braces, heated
> seats, stereo systems, stability control, infotainment, sound deadening,
> etc. PLUS the literal hundreds of pounds of wiring to support all that
> stuff kills economy. And stupid ethanol in the US doesn't help a bit
> either!
>
> Joe B
> 72 TR6
>
> > On Dec 15, 2015, at 13:58, Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Not so sure I agree.
> >
> > I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the past. 87MM upgrade
> but with the stock 4sp transmission.
> > WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.
> >
> > I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to
> car hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's 4cyl Camry just
> averaged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real good, but hardly
> twice my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with many computers
> running the show and a 6 speed transmission. The only computer available
> when I drive a Triumph is in my pocket!
> >
> > The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for many more
> miles but mileage has not improved as much as one would expect. I suspect
> some of the problem is alcohol and less bang for the buck in the power in
> todays fuels.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >> On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
> companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to
> >>> squeeze more oil out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale,
> fracking, etc) plus how to squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of
> >>> crude.
> >> Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not
> >> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled? tripled?
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff Scarbrough
> >> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It's not just the increased weight, but in some case, =
not EVEN increased weight.=C2=A0 <br>First, compare a Camry to something co=
mparable for it's day (say a '50s Ford Fairlane) and you will see t=
he Camry comes in a few hundred pounds lighter.=C2=A0 Not really fair to co=
mpare a modern family sedan (even a compact) to a sports car of any vintage=
.=C2=A0 <br>The other big difference is the performance of the motor for th=
e given mileage.=C2=A0 The Camry I-4 (circa 2012) will do 0-60 in 8.4 secs =
making about 178hp from 2.5l.=C2=A0 The TR3 made a (reported) 10 second 0-6=
0 on 100hp from the 2.2 motor in a package weighing 1000lbs less.=C2=A0 So =
you do get something for all that fancy new fangled tech.<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1=
:28 PM, Joe Burlein <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:floridatr6@cfl.=
rr.com" target=3D"_blank">floridatr6@cfl.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think you hit it on the head with weight.=C2=
=A0 Air con, door braces, heated seats, stereo systems, stability control, =
infotainment, sound deadening, etc. PLUS the literal hundreds of pounds of =
wiring to support all that stuff kills economy.=C2=A0 And stupid ethanol in=
the US doesn't help a bit either!<br>
<br>
Joe B<br>
72 TR6<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
> On Dec 15, 2015, at 13:58, Bob Labuz <<a href=3D"mailto:yellowtr@ad=
elphia.net">yellowtr@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jeff,<br>
><br>
> Not so sure I agree.<br>
><br>
> I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the past.=C2=A0 87MM upg=
rade but with the stock 4sp transmission.<br>
> WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.<br>
><br>
> I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to=
car hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's 4cyl Camry=
just averaged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real good, but har=
dly twice my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with many computer=
s running the show and a 6 speed transmission. The only computer available =
when I drive a Triumph is in my pocket!<br>
><br>
> The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for many more=
miles but mileage has not improved as much as one would expect. I suspect =
some of the problem is alcohol and less bang for the buck in the power in t=
odays fuels.<br>
><br>
> Bob<br>
><br>
>> On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is =
that the oil companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to<br>
>>> squeeze more oil out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale=
, fracking, etc) plus how to squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of<br>
>>> crude.<br>
>> Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile.=C2=
=A0 I'm not<br>
>> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled? tripled=
?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Jeff Scarbrough<br>
>> Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br>
>><br>
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