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Sorry to pursue the point, but for someone who has never welded before, =
I would still say MIG is the way to go. I am not arguing about the =
merits of the two, but was responding to a novice (like me) who was =
thinking about welding patches on a car. And by =E2=80=9Ca tank of =
argon=E2=80=9D I was referring to the mixed gases =E2=80=93 but again =
drawing a distinction between the two ways one can get going with a MIG =
welder.
=20
Wow =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99ll keep my mouth shut in =
future=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
=20
Andrew Uprichard
=20
From: Chad [mailto:triumph74tr6@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:42 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] FW: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair =
quote...
=20
Actually a TIG welder is the best, but a MIG will work fine. For mild =
steel you will want mixed gas (75% CO2 / 25% Argon). I have a 110V MIG. =
On a 20A circuit it works just fine.....even on thicker welds. If I =
was going to weld 1/4" plate a 240V mig would be better.
=20
Chad in Tulsa
=20
_____ =20
From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: [TR] FW: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
=20
Hopefully a typo, but what you need is a MIG welder, not TIG.
=20
Hey =E2=80=93 I am a physician and bought myself a MIG welder, found a =
local welder and said =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9Cteach me to weld!=E2=80=9D I =
still can=E2=80=99t run a decent bead (so I don=E2=80=99t do any =
structural work, like frames, but good spot welds suffice for the =
majority of repairs (including floors).
=20
Two tips:
- Buy a welder with a tank of argon: in my experience the =
fluxed wire just isn=E2=80=99t as good
- 240 amps makes for a much better weld=20
=20
Andrew Uprichard
=20
From: 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James_ =
via 6pack
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:59 PM
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
=20
Thanks everyone for the great words and advice.
=20
I want a good job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with =
all these rusted out sections, i need to repair them first.
=20
I am totally tempted to go out, buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and =
LEARN to weld!
Seriously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer, but there =
will be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find friends of =
friends
instruct me.
I would not do the floor pans but at least the flat sections needing =
repair. One area is on the firewall=20
near the commission plates . probably a 1"x5" section.
=20
So most sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner =
section directly under the fuse box, master cylinder area.
Which leads me to this: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender =
and wheel arch that I can extract this crazy multi-sided
section. I simply cut out the bad and have someone weld in the good =
replacement. saves fabricating from scratch. or do it myself.=20
=20
Anyone have a good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender =
sections?
Ideally here in Oregon, but willing to pay for shipping. Be even nicer =
if someone has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good part =
that is intact.
=20
Thanks.
=20
James
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sorry to pursue the point, but for someone who has never welded =
before, I would still say MIG is the way to go.=C2=A0 I am not arguing =
about the merits of the two, but was responding to a novice (like me) =
who was thinking about welding patches on a car.=C2=A0 And by =E2=80=9Ca =
tank of argon=E2=80=9D I was referring to the mixed gases =E2=80=93 but =
again drawing a distinction between the two ways one can get going with =
a MIG welder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Wow =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99ll keep my mouth shut in =
future=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Chad [mailto:triumph74tr6@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June =
10, 2015 5:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard; =
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] FW: [6pack] Floorpan =
replacement and Rust repair quote...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127920"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>Actually a TIG welder is the best, but a MIG will work fine. For =
mild steel you will want mixed gas (75% CO2 / 25% Argon). I have a =
110V MIG. On a 20A circuit it works just fine.....even on thicker =
welds. If I was going to weld 1/4" plate a 240V mig would be =
better.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>Chad in Tulsa<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127918"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127917"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127916"><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3D1 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> =
Andrew Uprichard <<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@uprichard.net</a>>=
<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:24 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[TR] FW: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair =
quote...</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127923"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv3118432418><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127927"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127926"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127925"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hopefully a typo, but what you need is a MIG welder, not =
TIG.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127928"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127930"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hey =E2=80=93 I am a physician and bought myself a MIG welder, found =
a local welder and said =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9Cteach me to =
weld!=E2=80=9D I still can=E2=80=99t run a decent bead (so I =
don=E2=80=99t do any structural work, like frames, but good spot welds =
suffice for the majority of repairs (including floors).</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127931"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127964"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Two tips:</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127966"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> &nb=
sp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Buy a welder with a tank of argon: in my experience the fluxed =
wire just isn=E2=80=99t as good</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> &nb=
sp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>240 amps makes for a much better weld </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127967"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Andrew Uprichard</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127968"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127973"><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor' =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127972"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127971"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
6pack [<a href=3D"mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127969">mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James_ via 6pack<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
June 10, 2015 3:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127974">6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair =
quote...</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127975"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127978"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127977"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks everyone =
for the great words and advice.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127981"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127980"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127979"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127985"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127984"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127983"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I want a good =
job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with all these rusted =
out sections, i need to repair them first.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127987"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433941020044_127986"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I am totally =
tempted to go out, buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and LEARN to =
weld!</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Seriously. I =
haven't seen any welding classes over the summer, but there will be many =
in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find friends of =
friends</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>instruct =
me.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I would not do =
the floor pans but at least the flat sections needing repair. One area =
is on the firewall </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>near the =
commission plates . probably a 1"x5" section.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So most =
sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner section =
directly under the fuse box, master cylinder area.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Which leads me =
to this: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender and wheel arch =
that I can extract this crazy multi-sided</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>section. I =
simply cut out the bad and have someone weld in the good replacement. =
saves fabricating from scratch. or do it myself. </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Anyone have a =
good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender =
sections?</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Ideally here in =
Oregon, but willing to pay for shipping. Be even nicer if someone has =
the small section I need and not have to ruin a good part that is =
intact.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks.</span><s=
pan =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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