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To: "dave@munroe.ca" <dave@munroe.ca>, "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>, M Lafayette <coolvt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ethanol Laced Gasoline
From: Terry Packer via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:36:29 +0000 (UTC)
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 Hello Dave
I haven't seen anyone respond regarding an additive which offsets the short=
comings of gas with ethanol. It will be interesting to see if anyone knows =
of such an animal.=20

Regarding damage, I can only offer that I've used ethanol laced fuel in all=
 my vehicles without issue for many years including the Tiger and a 1969 BS=
A. However, it has quickly compromised several small-engine carburetors on =
chain saws (2T) and weedeaters (4T). A carb rebuild or replacement of the w=
hole carb, which is cheap, makes the implement immediately start and run no=
rmally again. This problem does not occur using no-alcohol gas. So I am con=
vinced ethanol fuel has one or more damaging components but the number and =
amount of susceptible materials in my vehicles seems to be modest.

While there is a station which sells alcohol free fuel in my county, it is =
too far away to be practical. In addition to the av-gas option I thought I'=
d mention that there is a local fuel distributor who supplies no alcohol "r=
ace gas", by the gallon or drum, to drivers at the local dirt track. It wou=
ld be a little pricey to fuel a street car this way but it might be conside=
red depending on the volume required.=20

Good Luck.
Terry
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     On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 04:36:09 PM CDT, M Lafayette via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Some of the stations in the US sell ethanal free gas, but only as high-tes=
t.=C2=A0

In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@munroe.=
ca writes:=C2=A0
Hello from Nova Scotia!=C2=A0Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have,=
 unfortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts=C2=A0who have=
 had to find a way togas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gasoline =
without damaging=C2=A0their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on an u=
nderstandable rampageto do everything in its power to help end Climate Chan=
ge, and=C2=A0this is their latest effort to=C2=A0jump into the fray. (Wheth=
er or not this is a valid or=C2=A0questionable strategy is an issue for ano=
ther time.)=C2=A0I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an additive=
, (or some other solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol does to =
gasoline=C2=A0engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethanol free, but=
 there are very few airports here that will=C2=A0sell aviation fuel to non-=
aircraft owners.=C2=A0Any help or suggestions=C2=A0would be greatly appreci=
ated by your Canadian car enthusiast=C2=A0Friends.=C2=A0Many thanks for any=
 help you can provide.=C2=A0Dave Munroe, in Nova ScotiaSunbeam Tiger, MGB, =
and Several vulnerable Motorcycles.________________________________________=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Dave</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I haven't seen anyone respond regarding an additiv=
e which offsets the shortcomings of gas with ethanol. It will be interestin=
g to see if anyone knows of such an animal. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regarding damage, I ca=
n only offer that I've used ethanol laced fuel in all my vehicles without i=
ssue for many years including the Tiger and a 1969 BSA. However, it has qui=
ckly compromised several small-engine carburetors on chain saws (2T) and we=
edeaters (4T). A carb rebuild or replacement of the whole carb, which is ch=
eap, makes the implement immediately start and run normally again. This pro=
blem does not occur using no-alcohol gas. So I am convinced ethanol fuel ha=
s one or more damaging components but the number and amount of susceptible =
materials in my vehicles seems to be modest.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">While there is a stati=
on which sells alcohol free fuel in my county, it is too far away to be pra=
ctical. In addition to the av-gas option I thought I'd mention that there i=
s a local fuel distributor who supplies no alcohol "race gas", by the gallo=
n or drum, to drivers at the local dirt track. It would be a little pricey =
to fuel a street car this way but it might be considered depending on the v=
olume required. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Good Luck.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none=
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                    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 04:36:09 PM CDT, M Lafaye=
tte via Tigers &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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64fbyiv1318959857userEdit"><span style=3D"color:#000000;font-style:normal;f=
ont-weight:bold;">Some of the stations in the US sell ethanal free gas, but=
 only as high-test.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
<br clear=3D"none">In a message dated 7/22/2023 4:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight=
 Time, dave@munroe.ca writes:
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<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Hello from Nova Scotia!</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Classic and antique Car owners in Canada have, un=
fortunately, recently joined the many American enthusiasts&nbsp;who have ha=
d to find a way to</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">gas up their vintage cars with ethanol-laced gaso=
line without damaging&nbsp;their fuel systems. Our Federal Government is on=
 an understandable rampage</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">to do everything in its power to help end Climate=
 Change, and&nbsp;this is their latest effort to&nbsp;jump into the fray. (=
Whether or not this is a valid or&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">questionable strategy is an issue for another tim=
e.)</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">I am writing to ask if anyone has come up with an=
 additive, (or some other solution) that can cancel the damage that ethanol=
 does to gasoline&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">engines. I have heard that aviation fuel is ethan=
ol free, but there are very few airports here that will&nbsp;sell aviation =
fuel to non-aircraft owners.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Any help or suggestions&nbsp;would be greatly app=
reciated by your Canadian car enthusiast&nbsp;Friends.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Many thanks for any help you can provide.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Dave Munroe, in Nova Scotia</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb82bb1c0yiv4468747131ydpf5243bc8yiv9331686317ydp593b64fbyi=
v1318959857gmail_default">Sunbeam Tiger, MGB, and Several vulnerable Motorc=
ycles.</div>
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