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Joe, I did an article for Tigers United, that describes with photographs =
what I did for the full fans shroud.
http://tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickShroud/pt-PaulickShroud.asp
BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles covering the variety of =
subjects. You might want to check it out.=20
> On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for all of the replies. I have a mostly stock engine (with =
Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I have a temperature =
gauge mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over =
200 at idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car. My =
problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the =
temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and =
shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor. The temp gauge =
was showing around 250 degrees at that point. =20
>=20
> I already have the lower shroud on my radiator and I am making some =
horn opening covers today. I will also look at blocking off the area =
below the radiator. I have read all of the articles that people have =
referred to and I believe I have an airflow problem at low speeds. So I =
was just looking for pusher fan recommendations at this point. =20
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> The best advice is to probably not drive in 100+ degree weather.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>=20
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY PAULICK via Tigers =
>> I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air =
comes through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back =
through the radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air =
from your own radiator. It works.=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com =
>>>=20
>>> I think michael hit the nail on the head. first need to know is it =
overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
>>>=20
>>> a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. and =
spal is the go to brand. still need the horn holes and gap between =
cross member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties does the trick =
quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you =
want. also need a fan shroud.
>>>=20
>>> personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have =
a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that creates enough pull =
through the radiator at idle.
>>>=20
>>> if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem =
entirely and there are a variety of other things to check.
>>>=20
>>> in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions =
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a =
particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem. =
there are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb =
heat shield, but i've only suffered from it once.
>>>=20
>>> one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the =
tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose. =
at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with =
thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should =
look, even how blocked the radiator is.
>>>=20
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>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers =
>>>> I=E2=80=99ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more =
that a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, =
pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this =
issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think =
the first place to start is knowing what the actual engine team really =
is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing =
is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine =
temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is =
not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I =
had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does anything. My original guage =
can show 225-230 on a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never =
has pucked out fluid. The design of the should is an issue. It lets hot =
air from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =
=E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity =
day.. well good luck. JMO
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>>>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com =
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The article includes several suggestions.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud =
at the bottom.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> A list member offered a piece he fabricated.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it =
later this year.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Allan Ballard
>>>>> Mk1a Tiger
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>>>>> <image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com =
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>>>> Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =
http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValanc=
e1.asp
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> It works great in Southern California heat.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown =
>>>>>>> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas. =
I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will =
make some of the suggested modifications. They listed two different =
pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer =
available.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If so, what =
part numbers?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Joe Brown
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</div></div><br><div>BTW, Tigers United has a lot of great articles =
covering the variety of subjects. You might want to check it =
out. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Joe Brown =
<jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all =
of the replies. I have a mostly stock engine (with Edelbrock =
intake and 4 bbl.) and stock radiator. I have a temperature gauge =
mounted on the intake and the engine seems to run a little over 200 at =
idle but I haven't had any problems while driving the car. My =
problem right now is that I took the car out one afternoon when the =
temperature was over 100 degrees and when I pulled into the garage and =
shut the engine off it puked some water onto the floor. The temp =
gauge was showing around 250 degrees at that =
point. <div><br></div><div>I already have the lower shroud on =
my radiator and I am making some horn opening covers today. I will =
also look at blocking off the area below the radiator. I have read =
all of the articles that people have referred to and I believe I have an =
airflow problem at low speeds. So I was just looking for pusher =
fan recommendations at this point. =
</div><div><br></div><div>The best advice is to probably not drive =
in 100+ degree weather.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe =
Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM LARRY =
PAULICK via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I made a custom lower fan =
shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger, fan shroud. I did =
smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes through the radiator =
down towards the ground and circles back through the radiator again. So =
essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiator. =
It works. <br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 19, =
2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a href=3D"mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com"=
target=3D"_blank">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none">I think michael hit the nail on the head. first =
need to know is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at =
speed?<div><br></div><div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed =
or when stopped. and spal is the go to brand. still =
need the horn holes and gap between cross member and rad blocked. =
cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and can be replaced with a =
more permanent solution later if you want. also need a fan =
shroud.<div><br></div><div>personally i've never needed the electric =
pusher fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump =
pulley. that creates enough pull through the radiator at =
idle.</div><div><br></div><div>if its overheating at more than =
30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there are a =
variety of other things to check.</div></div><div><br></div><div>in =
my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain =
conditions (slowing down after running fast in really high ambient =
temps above a particular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the =
problem. there are a bunch of things i could do there, most =
importantly a carb heat shield, but i've only suffered from it =
once.</div><div><br></div><div>one thing i've found very useful for =
debugging cooling issues in the tiger over the years is having a glass =
gano filter in the rad top hose. at least you can see how the =
coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat or water pump issues =
and if you're used to how it should look, even how blocked the radiator =
is.</div><div><br></div></div><br =
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text=
-decoration:none"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, =
2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font size=3D"4">I=E2=80=99ve =
been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that a =
decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this =
issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think =
the first place to start is knowing what the actual engine =
team really is. We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The =
other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the =
optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily =
and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in =
mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is =
does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 on a =
hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The =
design of the should is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine =
compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99=
that can be done. However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good =
luck. JMO</font><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 18, =
2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<a =
href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br><div><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none;float:none;display:inline">The article includes several =
suggestions.</span><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock =
fan shroud at the bottom.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">A list member offered a piece he fabricated.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope =
to fit it later this year.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the =
effort.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">Allan Ballard</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
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ecoration:none">Mk1a Tiger</div><div =
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ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><span =
id=3D"m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c14211b0811"><image0.jpeg></=
span><span =
id=3D"m_8164983089506367030cid:1896cb123c143c689202"><image1.jpeg></=
span><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, =
Jay Laifman <<a href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">jay.laifman@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling =
suggestions? <a =
href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifm=
anValance1.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-=
SteveLaifmanValance1.asp</a><div><br></div><div>It works great in =
Southern California heat.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM =
Joe Brown <<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep =
up with this 100 degree weather in Texas. I've read through the =
article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of the =
suggested modifications. They listed two different pusher electric =
fans in the article but both of them are no longer =
available.<div><br></div><div>So, has anybody recently installed a =
pusher fan? If so, what part =
numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe =
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