Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

[Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>]

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I think what you're suggesting would work better than trying to replicate t=
he stock set up.=C2=A0Mike


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From: steve wick <srwick@hotmail.com>
To: jbbrown1980@gmail.com <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>; Michael Wood <mwood24020=
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Cc: tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>; MTaylor@ea.com <MTaylor@=
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

#yiv2295268496 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I've emailed Tom in the pas=
t, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "typical" ripped frame rail =
in addition to the parts being missing. Without knowing about Tom's kit in =
2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling nuts welded to the surface =
of it in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a=
 little more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I =
then made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of =
the coupling nuts and butt welded that to the inner frame rail half and the=
 outside circumference of the coupling nuts. It looks like an undamaged fla=
t frame section with threaded bosses for the panhard bar bracket bolts to g=
o into, but is reinforced and connected to both sides of the frame rail. Th=
at's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was unawa=
re of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like what=
 I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom bui=
ld a bracket and bar, located so the bar is parallel with the ground and no=
t at an angle.
Steve
From: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:01 AM
To: jbbrown1980@gmail.com <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>; srwick@hotmail.com <srwi=
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Cc: tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>; MTaylor@ea.com <MTaylor@=
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar=C2=A0If you guys are going to put=
 Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one of Tom Hall's kits which hel=
ps with the bar angle and addresses mount area issues.=C2=A0
tigerengineering.net
Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
To: steve wick <srwick@hotmail.com>
Cc: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

I would also like pictures or drawings.
Thanks,Joe Brown
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:

On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone has a bar and bracket laying around and=
 wants to sell, or if I could get pictures and measurements of both so I co=
uld replicate them, please email me off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket=
 on the right side. Thanks=C2=A0guys.
Steve
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Taylor, Matthew v=
ia Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:07 AM
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>;tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.t=
eam.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar=C2=A0
I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
 have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.=C2=A0 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.=C2=A0 It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the t=
ype of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross =
experiences.

=C2=A0

Matthew

=C2=A0

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via T=
igers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

=C2=A0

Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
 made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar

Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Joel Martin

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I've emailed Tom in the past, and he does make a nice kit. My car had the "=
typical" ripped frame rail in addition to the parts being missing. Without =
knowing about Tom's kit in 2008, what I did was make a plate with coupling =
nuts welded to the surface of it
 in the proper locations, opened up the hole in the inner frame rail a litt=
le more and welded the plate to the inside of the outer frame half. I then =
made a flat plate with holes that fit over, but flush with the end of the c=
oupling nuts and butt welded that
 to the inner frame rail half and the outside circumference of the coupling=
 nuts. It looks like an undamaged flat frame section with threaded bosses f=
or the panhard bar bracket bolts to go into, but is reinforced and connecte=
d to both sides of the frame rail.
 That's why I was looking for just the bracket and bar, but either I was un=
aware of or had forgotten about the angle/alignment issue. It sounds like w=
hat I should just do at this point is put my car up on the lift and custom =
build a bracket and bar, located
 so the bar is parallel with the ground and not at an angle.</div>
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If you guys are going to put Panhard bars back on, I'd suggest getting one =
of Tom Hall's kits which helps with the bar angle and addresses mount area =
issues.&nbsp;</div>
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To: steve wick &lt;srwick@hotmail.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: Michael Wood &lt;mwood24020@aol.com&gt;; tigers@autox.team.net &lt;tige=
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ep 30, 2021 at 9:50 AM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopene=
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
On a slightly different note, my Tiger is missing the panhard bar and mount=
ing bracket. I've looked off and on for several years and never found one. =
I know I can get a reinforced bracket that welds in, but don't run my car h=
ard and prefer "factory". If anyone
 has a bar and bracket laying around and wants to sell, or if I could get p=
ictures and measurements of both so I could replicate them, please email me=
 off list. I have a Mk1 with the bracket on the right side. Thanks&nbsp;guy=
s.</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I d=
on=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you ha=
ve seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great.&n=
bsp; I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly
 with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.&nbsp; A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nbsp; It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the
 other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions of a seco=
nd based on my autocross experiences.</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">&nb=
sp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Mat=
thew</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p=
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">Like=
 said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've yet to=
 see one (not counting custom fabricated
 with heim joints, correct angles, adjustability etc used in conjunction wi=
th front end improvements) that made any sense or was additive to total gri=
p capability.&nbsp;</span></p>
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an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:black;">&nbs=
p;</span></p>
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rif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:bla=
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an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond, serif;color:black;">Was a =
rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option or not?=
&nbsp; Size, mounting points? Either way
 could someone post some pictures of how they were suppose to be mounted an=
d installed?</span></p>
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